Reasons for believing in the Bible as the literal word of God.

[dybmh]

Please demonstrate that angels and demons exist. Show me some evidence, and I'll believe.

ya know how atheists on here all kind of have all the same arguments, and kind of all have the same ideas, and no matter what's said they always react the same way, kind of like a repeating record player that keeps skipping?

I'm pretty sure I've heard you ask this same question, almost verbatim?

There's your evidence. All of you are listeing to the same god ( false god/demon/daemon ) which is nothing more than a thought-virus which repeats and obscures and deceives.

You will never believe any evidence that's brought, it doesn't matter what it is. Even if real evidence came and started torturing you mentally, and making your life miserable, you still wouldn't believe.

beyond that: if you really want proof:

There are 2 options:

1) You're totally lying about "show me some evidence, and I'll beleive"
2) You are completely self-deluded about your own inability to believe evidence of a demon or an angel

If 1 then you are possessed with a demonic spirit which either condones or encourages dishonesty
If 2 then you are possessed with a demonic spirit which is producing the self-delusion

If both, you're possessed with both.

There you go, you have your proof.

Secret option #3: if you deny it you are possessed with a demonic spirit like a science denier which rejects evidence.

No matter how you slice it: you got a demon.

 

[dybmh]

Fine by me. It's your Gospel - keep it to yourself.

FYI: anytime an atheist asks for evidence of God, they are asking for bible quotes and a conversion from their non-belief.

 

[Wandering Monk]

FYI: anytime an atheist asks for evidence of God, they are asking for bible quotes and a conversion from their non-belief.

Or maybe tangible, falsifiable evidence. You guys never produce it.

 

[TLK Valentine]

One's own way is often the way of the world. ( or as back in the '60's ' Do your own thing ' )
I find the world ' doing its own thing ' has Not brought about Peace on Earth.
One's own way has shown that man's way has Not discovered or re-discovered man's purpose on Earth. - Gen. 1:28
Jesus came to teach so that we can discover (rediscover) that humble meek people are the ones who will inherit the Earth.
- Matt. 5:5; Psalm 37:9-11; Psalm 22:26

By all means, continue to be humble and meek if that's your own thing. I won't stop you.

 

[TLK Valentine]

FYI: anytime an atheist asks for evidence of God, they are asking for bible quotes and a conversion from their non-belief.

Good thing I'm not asking for evidence of God.
I joined this thread curious about claims of evidence that the Bible is the literal word of God... I expected little to none, and I was not disappointed.

 

[TLK Valentine]

It is God who appointed Jesus as King who does the judging, Not me. - Matthew 25:31-34,37
Jesus is King (ruler) of God's kingdom government - 1st Cor. 15:24-26

Everything I've read about Jesus shows that he happily welcomed the unclean, the outcasts, the rebels, the outlaws, and all sorts of others that the religious and political ruling elite had written off... in fact, according to him, it would be the religious and political ruling elite that were going to get the shaft.

If He's the King that does the judging, I look forward to it.

 

[dybmh]

Good thing I'm not asking for evidence of God.
I joined this thread curious about claims of evidence that the Bible is the literal word of God... I expected little to none, and I was not disappointed.

Agreed. But, just curious did you click back on the replies to see what the context is and why the individual was responding they way they did?

 

[dybmh]

Or maybe tangible, falsifiable evidence. You guys never produce it.

It's still asking to be converted. And there's no reason not to start with scripture.

But, zooming out, no, you won't get that sort of evidence. And in a backwards counter-intuitive way, that IS evidence of God.

You see, God, capital G, the god I believe in is completely omnipotent, absolutley infinite in every way. And, it does not want anyone or anything else considered to be a god. It is very clear about it. Because of this, when a person makes a demand for evidence of the sort you are describing, God will not produce it on principle. If it did produce the evidence on your demand, YOU have become the god and God has become your slave, like a light-switch.

How familiar are you with the concept of witchcraft? Do you understand what it is; what it means?

I ask because, if someone were to magically conjure up the proof you're asking for, that would be witchcraft. And that is prohibited.

Do you see what I mean? I don't expect you to be like... "woh, I'm a convinced believer now." But, I'm just explaining why the proof you're asking for is inappropriate.

 

[Wandering Monk]

It's still asking to be converted. And there's no reason not to start with scripture.

But, zooming out, no, you won't get that sort of evidence. And in a backwards counter-intuitive way, that IS evidence of God.

You see, God, capital G, the god I believe in is completely omnipotent, absolutley infinite in every way. And, it does not want anyone or anything else considered to be a god. It is very clear about it. Because of this, when a person makes a demand for evidence of the sort you are describing, God will not produce it on principle. If it did produce the evidence on your demand, YOU have become the god and God has become your slave, like a light-switch.

How familiar are you with the concept of witchcraft? Do you understand what it is; what it means?

I ask because, if someone were to magically conjure up the proof you're asking for, that would be witchcraft. And that is prohibited.

Do you see what I mean? I don't expect you to be like... "woh, I'm a convinced believer now." But, I'm just explaining why the proof you're asking for is inappropriate.

Sounds a bit like a dodge. Rather than admit that you can't provide tangible, falsifiable evidence because it doesn't exist, you say you can't produce it because that would be witchcraft.

Wouldn't it just be easier to admit your position is based on faith, not on tangible, falsifiable evidence. That would be honest at least.

 

[dybmh]

Sounds a bit like a dodge. Rather than admit that you can't provide tangible, falsifiable evidence because it doesn't exist, you say you can't produce it because that would be witchcraft.

That's not a dodge. I'm pretty sure you know the rules: "You shall not suffer a witch to live." "There shall be none of those {insert occult practices here} among Jacob" "You shall not follow after the ways of the canaanites and the egyptians." I'm going by memory.

Please be honest. Before this conversation had you considered what it would mean if God behaved like a light-switch when a person demands evidence of the sort you are describing? Before this convo, had you every considered what witchcraft is in relation to demnds for evidence?

Wouldn't it just be easier to admit your position is based on faith, not on tangible, falsifiable evidence. That would be honest at least.

Of course it is based on faith. Are you serious right now? I talk about this rather regulary. Here's a link to something I said, yesterday:

You just seem salty because I've rained on your parade. No, demanding proof like that isn't appropriate. You won't get it. And that's by design. It's written in the law. You know the law right? I feel like I know enough about you to know that you know the law.

All that needs to said to these nay-sayers is one word, "miracle" followed by the words "have pleasant rest of your day."

I care absolutley nothing about pictures from the grand canyon, and soil samples or any of that trash that critics want to preach about. Why in the world should I? I have perfect faith and it is the one of the most powerful forces in the known universe.

Just a few moments ago, I'm proclaiming, my faith in miracles, and rather boldly admitting that it can be described as God-magic.

 

[YoursTrue]

Good thing I'm not asking for evidence of God.
I joined this thread curious about claims of evidence that the Bible is the literal word of God... I expected little to none, and I was not disappointed.

There are many things in the Bible that obviously were not dictated by God. If you wrote a book about something that happened and spoke of the persons involved does that mean they wrote it?

 

[ppp]

If you wrote a book about something that happened and spoke of the persons involved does that mean they wrote it?

It doesnt even mean that they exist.

 

[YoursTrue]

That's not a dodge. I'm pretty sure you know the rules: "You shall not suffer a witch to live." "There shall be none of those {insert occult practices here} among Jacob" "You shall not follow after the ways of the canaanites and the egyptians." I'm going by memory.

Please be honest. Before this conversation had you considered what it would mean if God behaved like a light-switch when a person demands evidence of the sort you are describing? Before this convo, had you every considered what witchcraft is in relation to demnds for evidence?



Of course it is based on faith. Are you serious right now? I talk about this rather regulary. Here's a link to something I said, yesterday:

You just seem salty because I've rained on your parade. No, demanding proof like that isn't appropriate. You won't get it. And that's by design. It's written in the law. You know the law right? I feel like I know enough about you to know that you know the law.



Just a few moments ago, I'm proclaiming, my faith in miracles, and rather boldly admitting that it can be described as God-magic.

Remember the test that Moses had with the magicians of Pharaoh. Both seemed similar. God backed Moses. Yet then again, the Pharaoh gave in and then changed his mind. Interesting, eh? I hope the best for you, dybmh.

 

[dybmh]

I hope the best for you, dybmh.

You as well, sincerely

 

[ppp]

Yet then again, the Pharaoh gave in and then changed his mind. Interesting, eh?

Pharaoh did not change his mind. God overrode Pharaoh's free will and changed Pharaoh's mind for him.

 

[TLK Valentine]

Agreed. But, just curious did you click back on the replies to see what the context is and why the individual was responding they way they did?

I did.

 

[TLK Valentine]

There are many things in the Bible that obviously were not dictated by God. If you wrote a book about something that happened and spoke of the persons involved does that mean they wrote it?

Obviously not -- and there's no reason to hold the Bible to a different standard.

 

[dybmh]

Pharaoh did not change his mind. God overrode Pharaoh's free will and changed Pharaoh's mind for him.

because.... the whole nation needed to be punished not just pharaoh. it's called justice.

 

[YoursTrue]

It's still asking to be converted. And there's no reason not to start with scripture.

But, zooming out, no, you won't get that sort of evidence. And in a backwards counter-intuitive way, that IS evidence of God.

You see, God, capital G, the god I believe in is completely omnipotent, absolutley infinite in every way. And, it does not want anyone or anything else considered to be a god. It is very clear about it. Because of this, when a person makes a demand for evidence of the sort you are describing, God will not produce it on principle.

Interesting because when Moses first appeared before Pharaoh, he asked for the Israelites to go out to worship freely. The true God (haShem, I use the word delicately as possible) spoke to Moses and told him to speak to Pharaoh and say that they were to make a three day journey into the wilderness to sacrifice to their God. Pharaoh, of course, did not listen. But the story goes on. Take care, dybmh.

 

[Subduction Zone]

because.... the whole nation needed to be punished not just pharaoh. it's called justice.

How is that justice? I think that is another concept that you do not understand. It was revenge. It is one off the reasons that we know those stories are false, unless you want to claim to believe in an evil God.