Recognition of Same-Sex Relationships, 1989-2010

[Revoltingest]

We don't want to forget that the axe, the plow and the rifle civilized the United States.

Forgive my being pedantic, but......Wrongo Pongo! Those tools only colonized the US.
Civilization came with the machine tool & high pressure steam engine, which enabled the industrial revolution.
(To be fair though, whether or not we're civilized yet is a legitimate question.)

 

[The_Evelyonian]

(To be fair though, whether or not we're civilized yet is a legitimate question.)

Sometimes I really doubt that we are...

 

[Smoke]

So you had a problem with a preacher? Was sexual abuse involved?

No, I didn't have a problem with a preacher and I was not sexually abused.

I had a problem with the sheer ignorance, bigotry, and stupidity of Christianity. I had a problem with Christians' rank hypocrisy about homosexuality. I had a problem with people like you speaking with authority about things they didn't know a damned thing about. Once I understood that people like you were lying to me about homosexuality, I began to see they were lying to me about everything. I saw how they misused the Bible and took verses out of context to suit their purposes. I saw how they claimed things were in the Bible that just aren't in there. Anything they believed, they claimed it was justified by the Bible. They were liars and hypocrites of the first order. They didn't know any of the things they claimed to know. It was all nonsense, from start to finish.

I have some respect for Jesus, and even for about half a dozen members of the Christian clergy. But none for clergy like you, and none for Christianity like yours.

 

[Revoltingest]

No, I didn't have a problem with a preacher and I was not sexually abused.
I had a problem with the sheer ignorance, bigotry, and stupidity of Christianity. I had a problem with Christians' rank hypocrisy about homosexuality. I had a problem with people like you speaking with authority about things they didn't know a damned thing about. Once I understood that people like you were lying to me about homosexuality, I began to see they were lying to me about everything. I saw how they misused the Bible and took verses out of context to suit their purposes. I saw how they claimed things were in the Bible that just aren't in there. Anything they believed, they claimed it was justified by the Bible. They were liars and hypocrites of the first order. They didn't know any of the things they claimed to know. It was all nonsense, from start to finish.
I have some respect for Jesus, and even for about half a dozen members of the Christian clergy. But none for clergy like you, and none for Christianity like yours.

On the whole, it sounds like a positive experience....at least from my warped perspective.

 

[Wannabe Yogi]

Forgive my being pedantic, but......Wrongo Pongo! Those tools only colonized the US.
Civilization came with the machine tool & high pressure steam engine, which enabled the industrial revolution.
(To be fair though, whether or not we're civilized yet is a legitimate question.)

I would say it was Guns and Diseases. There was already many Civilizations here. Guns and Germs allowed us to kill them all off and take their land.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

James,

Did you miss this question?

BTW - Counselors are legally required to be licensed in Pennsylvania. Are you? From what you've said here, I'd bet you aren't.

I recall something in the Bible about how believers should subject themselves to the governing authorities. You wouldn't be going against the law (and in the process going against God-appointed authority), would you?

 

[Dr. James Robertson]

No, I didn't have a problem with a preacher and I was not sexually abused.

I had a problem with the sheer ignorance, bigotry, and stupidity of Christianity. I had a problem with Christians' rank hypocrisy about homosexuality. I had a problem with people like you speaking with authority about things they didn't know a damned thing about. Once I understood that people like you were lying to me about homosexuality, I began to see they were lying to me about everything. I saw how they misused the Bible and took verses out of context to suit their purposes. I saw how they claimed things were in the Bible that just aren't in there. Anything they believed, they claimed it was justified by the Bible. They were liars and hypocrites of the first order. They didn't know any of the things they claimed to know. It was all nonsense, from start to finish.

I have some respect for Jesus, and even for about half a dozen members of the Christian clergy. But none for clergy like you, and none for Christianity like yours.

It sounds like what you're telling me is that you chose to turn your back on Jesus and have sex with men instead. That would explain your anger and resentment of the church; after all, we're standing in the way of your pleasures of the flesh. I hope, at some time in the future, when you've discovered that the pleasures of sin are hollow and not lasting, when you being to feel depressed, that you will consider returning to the good graces of the LORD. Remember that there is forgiveness, and there are plenty of others, like myself, who will do anything to help. In the meantime, please take care to protect yourself from disease.

 

[Skwim]

I counsel them because they, or their parents, ask me to. What further justification do I need?

How about an ethical one? One that acknowledges your not equipped to give anyone counseling, particularly psychological counseling. Especially for one you regard as a medical condition. Personally, I think you're getting off on an ego trip here, using your position of authority (preacher) to tell others what they should do. Simply look at your name here "Dr. James Robertson." As if to impress us because you earned a PhD. I bet you even sign the inside of your Christmas cards with "Dr."

OK, please tell me. If a kid does not participate in homosexual behaviour, how are the other kids supposed to know that he is being tempted?

Remarks like this go a long way in exposing your incompetence to deal with anything having to do with homosexuality. Where did you ever get the notion that because got a "calling" it automatically qualifies you to counsel people? My hope is that not too far down the line some unfortunate homosexual will recognize the harm you've done to him and sue your pants off. And the sooner the better.

The hardest thing I had to do in the program was to get the indeces and margins correct on my dissertation.

That's telling.

Isn't it though. It speaks volumes about the guy.

 

[Dr. James Robertson]

James,

Did you miss this question?

Originally Posted by 9-10ths_Penguin
BTW - Counselors are legally required to be licensed in Pennsylvania. Are you? From what you've said here, I'd bet you aren't.

I recall something in the Bible about how believers should subject themselves to the governing authorities. You wouldn't be going against the law (and in the process going against God-appointed authority), would you?

No, I didn't miss your question. I just did not feel the need to respond to it. I am a preacher, not in the mental health business. I am an ordained minister, and that is all the license I need.

 

[The_Evelyonian]

No, I didn't miss your question. I just did not feel the need to respond to it. I am a preacher, not in the mental health business. I am an ordained minister, and that is all the license I need.

The State of Pennsylvania would disagree with that assessment...

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

No, I didn't miss your question. I just did not feel the need to respond to it. I am a preacher, not in the mental health business.

If you administer counseling services, then you're in the mental health business... regardless of how unqualified you are to do it and how much harm you do in the process.

I am an ordained minister, and that is all the license I need.

When you became an ordained minister, did you receive any training in counseling at all?

 

[Smoke]

It sounds like what you're telling me is that you chose to turn your back on Jesus and have sex with men instead. That would explain your anger and resentment of the church; after all, we're standing in the way of your pleasures of the flesh. I hope, at some time in the future, when you've discovered that the pleasures of sin are hollow and not lasting, when you being to feel depressed, that you will consider returning to the good graces of the LORD. Remember that there is forgiveness, and there are plenty of others, like myself, who will do anything to help. In the meantime, please take care to protect yourself from disease.

Actually, my anger with your kind of Christianity preceded my decision to have sex with men.

If the pleasures of sin are so hollow, why do you persist in your sins of hypocrisy, bigotry, lying, and self-righteousness? You seem to be enjoying your sins.

 

[Dr. James Robertson]

How about an ethical one? One that acknowledges your not equipped to give anyone counseling, particularly psychological counseling. Especially for one you regard as a medical condition.

Since you do not consider homosexuality to be a mental illness (I said "mental illness", you said "medical condition"), I don't see what your problem is.

Personally, I think you're getting off on an ego trip here, using your position of authority (preacher) to tell others what they should do. Simply look at your name here "Dr. James Robertson." As if to impress us because you earned a PhD. I bet you even sign the inside of your Christmas cards with "Dr."

Earning a PhD does not give me the right do use "Dr." in front of my name? When was this decision made?

Remarks like this go a long way in exposing your incompetence to deal with anything having to do with homosexuality. Where did you ever get the notion that because got a "calling" it automatically qualifies you to counsel people?

It goes with the territory, just as a parents has to "counsel" his child. People ask me to do it, and I do it. It's my way of serving God. It makes me happy, and it makes others happy. The only people who aren't happy are those who feel that the church stands in the way of their committing sodomy, which isn't even true. We don't like the sin, but we're here for the sinner.

 

[Wannabe Yogi]

It sounds like what you're telling me is that you chose to turn your back on Jesus and have sex with men instead. That would explain your anger and resentment of the church; after all, we're standing in the way of your pleasures of the flesh. I hope, at some time in the future, when you've discovered that the pleasures of sin are hollow and not lasting, when you being to feel depressed, that you will consider returning to the good graces of the LORD. Remember that there is forgiveness, and there are plenty of others, like myself, who will do anything to help. In the meantime, please take care to protect yourself from disease.

OMG I just can't stop laughing tears are running down my face, honestly. Who ever you. I must say you have made posting a lot more fun. Tell the truth is this all just an act ?

 

[Dr. James Robertson]

I would say it was Guns and Diseases. There was already many Civilizations here. Guns and Germs allowed us to kill them all off and take their land.

I wouldn't exactly call Indian tribes "civilized". That's like saying that Muslims are civilized.

 

[Dr. James Robertson]

Actually, my anger with your kind of Christianity preceded my decision to have sex with men.

If the pleasures of sin are so hollow, why do you persist in your sins of hypocrisy, bigotry, lying, and self-righteousness? You seem to be enjoying your sins.

Somewhere, in this post, there is truth.

 

[Smoke]

I wouldn't exactly call Indian tribes "civilized". That's like saying that Muslims are civilized.

Or woefully ignorant preachers.

 

[Skwim]

No, I didn't miss your question. I just did not feel the need to respond to it. I am a preacher, not in the mental health business. I am an ordained minister, and that is all the license I need.

You know, this is getting so ridiculous I'm just about ready to call a POE here.

 

[Dr. James Robertson]

OMG I just can't stop laughing tears are running down my face, honestly. Who ever you. I must say you have made posting a lot more fun. Tell the truth is this all just an act ?

I'm glad you are amused. I don't know what it is I said that you think is so funny, but a good laugh is therapeutic, so at least I can know that I have helped someone here.

 

[The_Evelyonian]

You know, this is getting so ridiculous I'm just about ready to call a POE here.

It is getting rather obvious.