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Recognize Israel!

Jayhawker Soule

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Premium Member
From ynet news [emphasis added - JS]

Arab journalist to Palestinians: Recognize Israel

While Israel continues its incursions into the Gaza Strip, which it had unilaterally evacuated 10 months ago, some Arabs recognize the
new reality. The new position on the Israeli-Palestinian conflict is expressed in commentaries from Arab intellectuals in letters to editors and in political television programs in Arab-language television stations.

This new stance is stunning in its practicality. Basically it tells the Palestinians that the armed struggle against Israel is over and that the Palestinians, who lost, should negotiate in order to ensure the future of their children.

One such letter was written by senior Egyptian journalist Youssef Ibrahim and published in the New York Sun. Ibrahim served for 24 years as a senior reporter for the New York Times and the Wall Street Journal, and had interviewed almost every Arab leader during those years. Since 2001 Ibrhim serves as a member of the "Council on Foreign Relations," a Think-Tank in New York.

Ibrahim begins by saying that the Arab world can continue to stand by the Palestinians ‘until it is blue in the face,’ but most ‘clever’ Arabs have abandoned the notion of the Palestinian conflict and the eternal struggle against Israel.

'Palestinians stuck with Hamas'

In the letter Ibrahim reminds the Palestinians that the State they could have had in 1948 was much larger than the one they could have established in 1967, which would have also been larger than any future Palestinian state. A struggle, according to Ibrahim, means less land and more sorrow and total isolation - and the situation is not going to improve.

Ibrahim also told the Palestinians that the Israelis have no intention of leaving Jaffa, Haifa, Tel Aviv, or west Jerusalem.

The journalist slammed the Palestinians for allowing their children grow up to be illiterate, sick and suicidal while they live by the kindness of the United States and the United Nations. Every day your leadership begs for the daily bread allowance, continued Ibrahim, while the extreme, criminal Muslim government led by the Hamas continues to fan the flames of war which it cannot fight and has no hope of wining.

The Egyptian journalist went on to say that Arab nations bordering with Israel, such as Egypt and Jordan, have signed a peace treaty with Israel and have no intention of fighting Israel for the Palestinian cause. Arab nations located far from Israel, such as Iraq, do not really care what becomes of the Palestinians, he said, adding that only Syria continues to feed the Palestinians ‘fantasies’ that it will one day join the Palestine struggle.

Ibrahim concluded by saying that the ‘Palestinians are stuck with Hamas, another deceitful gang, like Yasser Arafat, who stole millions while Palestinian children played in the gutters of Gaza.
Well said!
 

michel

Administrator Emeritus
Staff member
I agree with your sentiment, as in "Well Said".
The journalist slammed the Palestinians for allowing their children grow up to be illiterate, sick and suicidal while they live by the kindness of the United States and the United Nations. Every day your leadership begs for the daily bread allowance, continued Ibrahim, while the extreme, criminal Muslim government led by the Hamas continues to fan the flames of war which it cannot fight and has no hope of wining.

What does concern me (about the above) is that it is those Children, who will grow up in ignorance of the real situation, and who will be the next generation of brainwashed potential hate mongers.
 

Yerda

Veteran Member
It's a relief to hear the call for recognition comes from an Arab this time. It's time for the people within the peaceful movement in Palestine to vent some of their frustration at the Palestinian terrorists who refuse to accept this message.
 

YmirGF

Bodhisattva in Recovery
From ynet news [emphasis added - JS]
Arab journalist to Palestinians: Recognize Israel

While Israel continues its incursions into the Gaza Strip, which it had unilaterally evacuated 10 months ago, some Arabs recognize the
new reality. The new position on the Israeli-Palestinian conflict is expressed in commentaries from Arab intellectuals in letters to editors and in political television programs in Arab-language television stations.

This new stance is stunning in its practicality. Basically it tells the Palestinians that the armed struggle against Israel is over and that the Palestinians, who lost, should negotiate in order to ensure the future of their children.

One such letter was written by senior Egyptian journalist Youssef Ibrahim and published in the New York Sun. Ibrahim served for 24 years as a senior reporter for the New York Times and the Wall Street Journal, and had interviewed almost every Arab leader during those years. Since 2001 Ibrhim serves as a member of the "Council on Foreign Relations," a Think-Tank in New York.

Ibrahim begins by saying that the Arab world can continue to stand by the Palestinians ‘until it is blue in the face,’ but most ‘clever’ Arabs have abandoned the notion of the Palestinian conflict and the eternal struggle against Israel.

'Palestinians stuck with Hamas'

In the letter Ibrahim reminds the Palestinians that the State they could have had in 1948 was much larger than the one they could have established in 1967, which would have also been larger than any future Palestinian state. A struggle, according to Ibrahim, means less land and more sorrow and total isolation - and the situation is not going to improve.

Ibrahim also told the Palestinians that the Israelis have no intention of leaving Jaffa, Haifa, Tel Aviv, or west Jerusalem.

The journalist slammed the Palestinians for allowing their children grow up to be illiterate, sick and suicidal while they live by the kindness of the United States and the United Nations. Every day your leadership begs for the daily bread allowance, continued Ibrahim, while the extreme, criminal Muslim government led by the Hamas continues to fan the flames of war which it cannot fight and has no hope of wining.

The Egyptian journalist went on to say that Arab nations bordering with Israel, such as Egypt and Jordan, have signed a peace treaty with Israel and have no intention of fighting Israel for the Palestinian cause. Arab nations located far from Israel, such as Iraq, do not really care what becomes of the Palestinians, he said, adding that only Syria continues to feed the Palestinians ‘fantasies’ that it will one day join the Palestine struggle.

Ibrahim concluded by saying that the ‘Palestinians are stuck with Hamas, another deceitful gang, like Yasser Arafat, who stole millions while Palestinian children played in the gutters of Gaza.
Well said!
And here we are all these years later with very little having changed on the Palestinian side of the affairs and yet the current Pope deems it fitting to recognize the so-called "Palestinian" state. Talk about rewarding bad behavior.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
And here we are all these years later with very little having changed on the Palestinian side of the affairs and yet the current Pope deems it fitting to recognize the so-called "Palestinian" state. Talk about rewarding bad behavior.
It's a 2 way street.
They need to recognize each other.

Btw, do you know why we didn't recognize the red Chinese for so long?
They all look alike!

Will I get a warning for this?
 

columbus

yawn <ignore> yawn
Arab nations located far from Israel, such as Iraq, do not really care what becomes of the Palestinians, he said, adding that only Syria continues to feed the Palestinians ‘fantasies’ that it will one day join the Palestine struggle.

So what is the biggest difference between now and when this decade old essay was written?
As far as I can see, only that Muslim leadership has caused both Iraq and Syria to descend into bloody chaos.
Tom
 

Servant_of_the_One1

Well-Known Member
Then don't whine like a baby if and when Palestinians die.

Hopefully, both sides will realize that continued killings is not the answer.


Iam not whining. Their deads are in paradise insha Allah.

But submission to the enemy is not realistic option. Either the zionists perish or muslims.
 

columbus

yawn <ignore> yawn
He is telling lies.
The armed resistance has just begun.

Most of a century later, looks like you are the one telling lies.
How much is that real estate worth, on a Palestinian child per hectare basis? It has already cost thousands, and Israel is stronger now than it has ever been. Especially in comparison to their Muslim neighbors who are getting weaker by the day.
Tom
 

Tumah

Veteran Member
Iam not whining. Their deads are in paradise insha Allah.

But submission to the enemy is not realistic option. Either the zionists perish or muslims.

I think the sentiments expressed by Servant_of_the_One1 is exactly why there is no peace here. They are fighting a zero sum war. Its either we win or they win. Israel on the other hand, wants to ensure the safety of its citizens. So long as the Palestinians believe that so long as they haven't killed all the Zionists they've lost, Israel is going to keep being dragged into battle again and again.
 

Kirran

Premium Member
I think the sentiments expressed by Servant_of_the_One1 is exactly why there is no peace here. They are fighting a zero sum war. Its either we win or they win. Israel on the other hand, wants to ensure the safety of its citizens. So long as the Palestinians believe that so long as they haven't killed all the Zionists they've lost, Israel is going to keep being dragged into battle again and again.

Sadly so. While it is important to recognise many Palestinians are a bit more realistic, but are drowned out.
 

Kirran

Premium Member
While I'm very much not a supporter of Zionism, I think it is absurd to expect the IsraelI state to stop existing. It's there to stay.
 
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