Recognize Israel!

[Desert Snake]

Nowhere in the Thread it is implied that you are required to do so.

Grow up.

The OP doesn't indicate that, it's quite declarative.

 

[Wirey]

I can't recognize Israel. He keeps getting his hair cut.

 

[Flankerl]

The OP doesn't indicate that, it's quite declarative.

 

[Desert Snake]

Lolllllllll.

 

[Servant_of_the_One1]

While I'm very much not a supporter of Zionism, I think it is absurd to expect the IsraelI state to stop existing. It's there to stay.

Ah, the lovestory between Indians and Israelis.

 

[Kirran]

Ah, the lovestory between Indians and Israelis.

I'm British of Chilean, Dutch and British descent.

Do you honestly think there's the remotest possibility that anybody could drive all the Israelis out of Israel/Palestine? Sending them to the West, presumably.

 

[Servant_of_the_One1]

I'm British of Chilean, Dutch and British descent.

Do you honestly think there's the remotest possibility that anybody could drive all the Israelis out of Israel/Palestine? Sending them to the West, presumably.

Not driving away, but there will be lots of great wars in the future.
If Hamas is giving the enemy headache, there will be many Hamas coming from sinai, syria, everywhere.


The fact is either one of the two group must cease to exist. Zionists or the mujahideen.

 

[Wirey]

The Arabs have been trying to get rid of the Israelis for my entire life, and they can't even get close. They should try doing something they're good at instead.

 

[Aquitaine]

Not driving away, but there will be lots of great wars in the future.
If Hamas is giving the enemy headache, there will be many Hamas coming from sinai, syria, everywhere.


The fact is either one of the two group must cease to exist. Zionists or the mujahideen.

Servant, do you not think people with your kind of attitude are part of the problem with the Israel/Palestine conflict?
It seems that there are people on both sides who believe the two groups cannot peacefully coexist, however peace can be attained between the two.

Granted, throwing religion into the mix does make this conflict ten times more complicated and messy.

 

[metis]

Not driving away, but there will be lots of great wars in the future.
If Hamas is giving the enemy headache, there will be many Hamas coming from sinai, syria, everywhere.


The fact is either one of the two group must cease to exist. Zionists or the mujahideen.

You're dreaming in La La Land if you think the "Zionists" are going to cease to exist, and I really don't think I should have to explain to you why this is the case.

BTW, all those people who you say have been "martyred" and are now with Allah, could you please show me in the Qu'ran where it states that they're doing Allah's bidding when they intentionally target innocent civilians? I gotta feeling these "martyrs" may be in for quite a surprise.

 

[MD]

You're dreaming in La La Land if you think the "Zionists" are going to cease to exist, and I really don't think I should have to explain to you why this is the case.

BTW, all those people who you say have been "martyred" and are now with Allah, could you please show me in the Qu'ran where it states that they're doing Allah's bidding when they intentionally target innocent civilians? I gotta feeling these "martyrs" may be in for quite a surprise.

Given that the explosion in Jihadist militias is happening all around Israel is a large cause for concern. There's ISIS, Al Nusra, Islamic Front and some new militia called Jaish Al Islam. They have captured parts of Golan Heights, and their numbers are growing year after year. I think it's only a matter of time before they altogether number in the millions.

Right now the only reason I think ISIS and Al-Qaeda have not brought a war to Israel is due to restraint from the states funding them. Fact is vast majority of the Islamic world despises Israel, and any attack on Israel by these jihadist groups would result in possibly millions of people joining them.

I think Servant's view is actually the majority view in the Islamic world, and I've been saying this for years that a deal with Assad and Hezbollah should have been reached a long time ago and would have been MUCH better than this hellish alternative. The only real allies Israel has in the region are the Kurds. Israel used to have the implicit support of Christians, Druze and other minorities but most of them have sided with the Shia regimes for protection.

 

[metis]

Given that the explosion in Jihadist militias is happening all around Israel is a large cause for concern. There's ISIS, Al Nusra, Islamic Front and some new militia called Jaish Al Islam. They have captured parts of Golan Heights, and their numbers are growing year after year. I think it's only a matter of time before they altogether number in the millions.

Right now the only reason I think ISIS and Al-Qaeda have not brought a war to Israel is due to restraint from the states funding them. Fact is vast majority of the Islamic world despises Israel, and any attack on Israel by these jihadist groups would result in possibly millions of people joining them.

I think Servant's view is actually the majority view in the Islamic world, and I've been saying this for years that a deal with Assad and Hezbollah should have been reached a long time ago and would have been MUCH better than this hellish alternative. The only real allies Israel has in the region are the Kurds. Israel used to have the implicit support of Christians, Druze and other minorities but most of them have sided with the Shia regimes for protection.

If push comes to shove, and I certainly hope it doesn't, Israel can unleash massive amounts of firepower, and I'm not even including the estimated 200 nukes.

One shoe that I hope doesn't drop is if Hezbollah were to unleash its missiles and rockets on Israel because I do not believe that Israel can afford to take the cautious steps it has before, and I don;t mean this in terms of money. If I remember correctly, Hezbollah has an estimated 20,000 missiles and rockets, some which can reach both Tel Aviv and Jerusalem, and if they begin to use them, all hell will break loose over there and Lebanon could end up being a hole in Planet Earth.

Again, I am certainly not a war-monger in any way, but we have to see reality as it is, and part of that reality, imo, is that Israel simply cannot deal with kid gloves with elements bent on its destruction and having groups like Hamas and Hezbollah armed with that many offensive weapons.

 

[MD]

If push comes to shove, and I certainly hope it doesn't, Israel can unleash massive amounts of firepower, and I'm not even including the estimated 200 nukes.

One shoe that I hope doesn't drop is if Hezbollah were to unleash its missiles and rockets on Israel because I do not believe that Israel can afford to take the cautious steps it has before, and I don;t mean this in terms of money. If I remember correctly, Hezbollah has an estimated 20,000 missiles and rockets, some which can reach both Tel Aviv and Jerusalem, and if they begin to use them, all hell will break loose over there and Lebanon could end up being a hole in Planet Earth.

Again, I am certainly not a war-monger in any way, but we have to see reality as it is, and part of that reality, imo, is that Israel simply cannot deal with kid gloves with elements bent on its destruction and having groups like Hamas and Hezbollah armed with that many offensive weapons.

As long as Hezbollah has ISIS and Al-Qaeda armies growing, they won't use that firepower against Israel. They have two massive enemies now and are getting squished.

I worry if Assad falls and the fighting shifts to Lebanon, then it will get really bad. If the jihadists attack Israel and Israel responds in full force, it will basically become a war between Islam and Judaism.

 

[metis]

As long as Hezbollah has ISIS and Al-Qaeda armies growing, they won't use that firepower against Israel. They have two massive enemies now and are getting squished.

I worry if Assad falls and the fighting shifts to Lebanon, then it will get really bad. If the jihadists attack Israel and Israel responds in full force, it will basically become a war between Islam and Judaism.

The unfortunate reality is that from many of the Arab and Islamic leaders it already is, and it's in large part of what's found in the Hadith.

 

[Kirran]

Not driving away, but there will be lots of great wars in the future.
If Hamas is giving the enemy headache, there will be many Hamas coming from sinai, syria, everywhere.


The fact is either one of the two group must cease to exist. Zionists or the mujahideen.

I think that for there to be peace, there have to stop being mujahideen, in the sense of Islamist terrorists.

I'd really prefer for Zionism to stop existing too, in its political forms. As a personal thing, I have no problem with it, it's when it's enshrined as policy.

 

[Typist]

Apologies, but all this endless recycling of the Israel vs. Arab debate has already been tried with great enthusiasm every day since at least 1948, and it's accomplished nothing but violence with no end in sight.

There is exactly no hope of peace for ANYBODY in the Middle East for generations, or maybe even centuries to come.

The only sane action for anyone in the Middle East is to try to find a way off the side of the bubbling volcano at the earliest moment. People should be fighting over plane tickets to somewhere else, not little pieces of land on the side of the volcano.

All this "who is right, who is wrong" business is so yesterday's news. It's no longer relevant at all. All that matters now is, who will escape the Middle East, and who will stay and die.

 

[Kirran]

Apologies, but all this endless recycling of the Israel vs. Arab debate has already been tried with great enthusiasm every day since at least 1948, and it's accomplished nothing but violence with no end in sight.

There is exactly no hope of peace for ANYBODY in the Middle East for generations, or maybe even centuries to come.

The only sane action for anyone in the Middle East is to try to find a way off the side of the bubbling volcano at the earliest moment. People should be fighting over plane tickets to somewhere else, not little pieces of land on the side of the volcano.

All this "who is right, who is wrong" business is so yesterday's news. It's no longer relevant at all. All that matters now is, who will escape the Middle East, and who will stay and die.

Well the warring isn't going to kill every person in the Middle East. It'll kill a lot, and make life worse for a lot more.

But Israel, Jordan, the Gulf States, are all pretty safe.

 

[Typist]

Well the warring isn't going to kill every person in the Middle East. It'll kill a lot, and make life worse for a lot more.

But Israel, Jordan, the Gulf States, are all pretty safe.

Oh dear, I'm sorry, you are living in the past. None of those places are safe.

Jordan is being over run by refuges, and is likely the next domino to fall, overwhelmed by needs it can not meet.

If the Saudis thought the gulf states were safe, they wouldn't be bombing the crap out of their neighbors.

And Israel is surrounded on all sides by hundreds of millions of desperate people who would love to see the Jews pushed in to the sea. Technology and military might will not help them as their neighbors descend in to chaos, disease, desperation etc. Military might is great for fighting tank battles in the desert, but that is all in the past now. The new challenge comes not from Israel's neighbors strengths, but from their weaknesses. Israel will find that a much more formidable foe.

Remember the Jews who hesitated leaving Europe as the Nazis rose to power? That's where we are in the Middle East right now. Lots of people will rationalize that they can ride it out, but no one is going to be spared in the volcanic chaos that is coming.

It's time to stop fighting with the Palestinians over a tiny scrap of dirt, and get the hell out of there while there is still time.

 

[Servant_of_the_One1]

I think that for there to be peace, there have to stop being mujahideen, in the sense of Islamist terrorists.

I'd really prefer for Zionism to stop existing too, in its political forms. As a personal thing, I have no problem with it, it's when it's enshrined as policy.

The mujahideen will lay down weapons when zionism is eradicated from Palestine. We dont care if this war takes thousand years, one thing zionists must understand is that we dont surrender. Kirran, nothing personal dude but i think surrendering is something for the Indians . As for us muslims, we will never surrender to zionists. Dying like a free man is better than being colonized by them.

 

[Whiterain]

The world needs a fool, why not tiny Israel.