Red Faced, Trump Backs Out Of Using Doral Resort As Host Of G7 summit

[Jollybear]

In reality it is extremely important. Obama cannot make decisions affecting U.S. foreign policy based on the profit he makes from these books because he is no longer the President.

Oh my god! ......selling books while your president does not mean your gonna do bad things in foreign policy.

Come on....

If someone buys your book, good, if not, fine. If they do, they get a book, you get money.

There is no bribe!

 

[SkepticThinker]

Nonsense. The president of ukrain said he was not pushed or blackmailed by trump at all. And the transcript does not say "do me a favor or else no aid".

Trump asked a favor. Thats perfectly acceptable.

And the whistle blowers report is not needed because we all got the transcript. Adam shift made up the whistle blower report whole cloth when he read it on tv.



Theres nothing wrong with profitting off your business. There is something wrong with bribery. Leaders paying for hotel rooms is not bribery.

Try again.

Apparently you will just believe whatever Trump tells you and then claim you're using common sense. Apparently you want to belief that holding up money appropriated by Congress in order to get political dirt on your opponent is "perfectly acceptable" when it is not. Apparently, you want to pretend the emoluments clause either doesn't exist or isn't important (even though it's in the damn Constitution).

If that's all you're going to do, then there isn't much left to say.

Though why you'd want to believe lies like "Adam shift made up the whistle blower report whole cloth when he read it on tv" is beyond me, and screams of gullibility and naivete.

Are you not aware that you can read the actual, real whistleblower report yourself?
Document: Read the Whistle-Blower Complaint
Read the Trump Whistleblower Complaint Right Here
Trump-Ukraine whistleblower complaint: read it in full

 

[SkepticThinker]

Good lord.....your straining at straws.

Do we really got to figure out the math on this? Is it even necessary?

First we need to figure out how many foreign leaders wer gonna come to trumps hotel, then we need to figure out how much each room cost per night, then we need to figure out how many nights they wer gonna stay. Add all that money up and compare it to his 4 years of president salary in office.

But is it really nessesary?

No, because it dont matter. He gives away alot of money in that salary. And profitting of his busness is perfectly fine. He isnt accepting bribes by this.

Your straining at straws.

It isn't though. That's why President's have always divested themselves from their business interests. That is, until Trump came along and now we have people like you claiming it's all "perfectly fine." It would be unbelievable if I wasn't seeing it with my own eyes.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Good lord.....your straining at straws.

Do we really got to figure out the math on this? Is it even necessary?

First we need to figure out how many foreign leaders wer gonna come to trumps hotel, then we need to figure out how much each room cost per night, then we need to figure out how many nights they wer gonna stay. Add all that money up and compare it to his 4 years of president salary in office.

But is it really nessesary?

No, because it dont matter. He gives away alot of money in that salary. And profitting of his busness is perfectly fine. He isnt accepting bribes by this.

Your straining at straws.

Once again, do not accuse others of your sins.

Your over simplified approach fails because there are other benefits besides that. That you would excuse such behavior when even Republicans were squawking about it only tells us that you simply cannot reason rationally when the Cheetos colored one speaks.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Makes no sense. Zelenky did not have to say trump did not blackmail him.

Actually he did. The phone call tells us how. Too bad that you did not understand it.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Oh my god! ......selling books while your president does not mean your gonna do bad things in foreign policy.

Come on....

If someone buys your book, good, if not, fine. If they do, they get a book, you get money.

There is no bribe!

Then why were you willing to attack Obama for that until you found out that he did the right thing.

When it came to gifts he did not keep them either. He followed the law and turned them over. Congress decided if any were innocent enough to keep. The gifts that he received were treated as property of the U.S. government and not personal property.

 

[ecco]

But hey, i dont even care if it was before, during or after because it doesnt matter. He made profits off his presidency.

You really need to try to understand the Constitution. It's not OK to profit from the office while the person is in office. Why is it so hard for you to understand this very simple concept.

Books that he wrote in 1995 are not books that were published while he was in office.

RE: Of thee I sing...

Obama's "Of Thee I Sing" hits bookstore shelves
Today, however, the president makes the leap into the world of children's books with "Of Thee I Sing: A Letter to My Daughters."

Written by Obama before he took office in January, 2009, the book celebrates an America "made up of people of every kind," each bringing their different gifts to the mix.

Obama will not, however, be seeing any profits from the book. All proceeds from sales of "Of Thee I Sing" will be donated to a scholarship fund for the children of soldiers who have been killed or disabled.

The 40-page book, which has a list price of $17.99, has a first printing of 500,000 copies.​

 

[ecco]

Secondly, it dont matter if its before or after. He made profits by his being president. Period.

I mean seriously, why does the time period matter? Why is that important?

DUH!

 

[ecco]

Nonsense. The president of ukrain said he was not pushed or blackmailed by trump at all. And the transcript does not say "do me a favor or else no aid".

The President of Ukraine knows he has to deal with Trump for another eighteen months. He is not so naive as to think he can contradict Trump.

Trump asked a favor. Thats perfectly acceptable.

On the one hand, I could think that you are just an extremely naive person who has no concept of the real world. Maybe just a cute little bunny like your avatar.

However, you have no problem attacking Democrats. So, it is clear your defense of Trump is not based on facts, it is based on your very biased Fundamentalist Christian Conservative views.

 

[Jollybear]

Apparently you will just believe whatever Trump tells you and then claim you're using common sense.

No, its the other way around. Apparently you will believe anything the leftwing media tells you and then think your using common sense. I dont just believe, i actually use common sense and logic. And i dont need to believe trump, the ukrain president said he was not pushed or blackmailed. Period.

Apparently you want to belief that holding up money appropriated by Congress in order to get political dirt on your opponent is "perfectly acceptable" when it is not.

First of all a president has a duty to look into potential corruption, even IF it is his political competitor. But, this is multi faucet, its also relooking into potential corruption in the 2016 period.

As for biden, the american people have a right to know about him.

Further, all candidates point out dirt on there political opponents. Why all of a sudden its wrong when trump does it?

Apparently, you want to pretend the emoluments clause either doesn't exist or isn't important (even though it's in the damn Constitution).

You misrepresented everything i have said about that clause by this statement. Great going.

First off, yes, the clause exists. Second it is important. Thirdly, in my first or second post in this thread i provided a link showing constitution scholars interpretation of the clause to be refering to bribery.

Trump having leaders pay rooms at his hotel is not bribery.

If that's all you're going to do, then there isn't much left to say.

Hey, you dont wanna say anything, then dont say anything.

Though why you'd want to believe lies like "Adam shift made up the whistle blower report whole cloth when he read it on tv" is beyond me, and screams of gullibility and naivete.

Apparently you must not be aware that the made up call shift read was clearly made up. Adam shift even admitted he was using "paredy". And this us a fact im telling you.

Are you not aware that you can read the actual, real whistleblower report yourself?
Document: Read the Whistle-Blower Complaint
Read the Trump Whistleblower Complaint Right Here
Trump-Ukraine whistleblower complaint: read it in full

Look, this whistle blower isnt even a firsthand witness. Plus, we dont even need the whistleblower report because we all got the transcript of the call. Its released.

It isn't though. That's why President's have always divested themselves from their business interests. That is, until Trump came along and now we have people like you claiming it's all "perfectly fine." It would be unbelievable if I wasn't seeing it with my own eyes.

It is though. Its totally fine. No bribes going on. Everything is innocent, nothing is harmed. The only harm is democrats wanting to MAKE innocent things into bad things. Its rediculious.

The founding fathers ran there business on the plantations. Your straining at straws.

So....rid yourself of your foolish, leftwing media, brainwashed, lie beliefs!

 

[Shad]

Your doing a great job shad, dont let anyone tell you otherwise. Get those lefties! There all out of control and theres to many of them on here.

The internet tends to have far more radical voices while the average person really doesn't care that much. Hence why there are open socialist here. I never met a socialist until I started using internet forums.

My opinion of many RF posters is low thus their opinions do not bother me when it comes to keeping quiet.

I got like 15 posts 3 days ago and another 8 the day after. I cant keep up time wise.

Yah happen especially as those that are not left-leaning are outnumbered. However I do make a lot of posts so expect at least a dozen alerts after a day or two.

 

[Shad]

Lolol Obama is no longer president.

Except that Trump is being accused of acts that Obama and Biden did without consequence.

 

[Subduction Zone]

No, its the other way around. Apparently you will believe anything the leftwing media tells you and then think your using common sense. I dont just believe, i actually use common sense and logic. And i dont need to believe trump, the ukrain president said he was not pushed or blackmailed. Period.

No, you rely on irrational personal bias far worse than anyone on the left. You do not use logic. A person that could reason logically would understand the explanations given to him.

First of all a president has a duty to look into potential corruption, even IF it is his political competitor. But, this is multi faucet, its also relooking into potential corruption in the 2016 period.

As for biden, the american people have a right to know about him.

Further, all candidates point out dirt on there political opponents. Why all of a sudden its wrong when trump does it?

That is not really the President's job. That may be the job of people in the executive branch, but the President has other duties. And even if it was his job he is not allowed to ask for illegal investigations.

You misrepresented everything i have said about that clause by this statement. Great going.

First off, yes, the clause exists. Second it is important. Thirdly, in my first or second post in this thread i provided a link showing constitution scholars interpretation of the clause to be refering to bribery.

Trump having leaders pay rooms at his hotel is not bribery.

I love how when everything that you claim has been refuted that you use this sad argument.

Hey, you dont wanna say anything, then dont say anything.



Apparently you must not be aware that the made up call shift read was clearly made up. Adam shift even admitted he was using "paredy". And this us a fact im telling you.



Look, this whistle blower isnt even a firsthand witness. Plus, we dont even need the whistleblower report because we all got the transcript of the call. Its released.




It is though. Its totally fine. No bribes going on. Everything is innocent, nothing is harmed. The only harm is democrats wanting to MAKE innocent things into bad things. Its rediculious.

The founding fathers ran there business on the plantations. Your straining at straws.

So....rid yourself of your foolish, leftwing media, brainwashed, lie beliefs!

Nope, Trump's own transcript showed the quid pro quo. Today it came out that he was urged by politicians from both sides to release those funds that he was improperly holding back. Every day more and more evidence comes out that Trump is at least as crooked as Nixon. Don't worry, there were die hard Nixon fans that took forever to see the light too.

Trump is apt to resign before spring. Or have you forgotten how he has lied about never settling. he will probably strike a deal with Pence just as Nixon did with Ford. He won't face any prison time but he will resign in shame.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Except that Trump is being accused of acts that Obama and Biden did without consequence.

Such as?

 

[Prometheus85]

 

[Prometheus85]

You got proof obama never sold any books DURING his presidency?

Provid it or accept DEFEAT!

 

[Jollybear]

The President of Ukraine knows he has to deal with Trump for another eighteen months. He is not so naive as to think he can contradict Trump.

Thats nonsense. First off your assuming zelenski is lying. Secondly AFTER getting the aid, zelinski STILL says he was not blackmailed. Thirdly, zelinski knows if he said trump blackmailed him, then trump would be in trouble and hed get the aid anyway.

On the one hand, I could think that you are just an extremely naive person who has no concept of the real world.

Mayby your talking about yourself there pale.

Maybe just a cute little bunny like your avatar.

Glad you like my bunny.

However, you have no problem attacking Democrats.

Not only do i disagree with democrats, i dont even have respect for there ideas. Trump put it perfect "they are sick, bad people" and "the do nothing democrats".

Basically they are a part of the swamp and there nothing but pyrasites in government to america.

So, it is clear your defense of Trump is not based on facts, it is based on your very biased Fundamentalist Christian Conservative views.

Ya, ok, if you say so. Why not make an argument instead of spewing stupid nonsense like this?

Oh, i know why! Because you got nothing better to say, otherwise youd say it. The fact you dont have anything better PROVES your beliefs are wrong.

 

[Salvador]

no Person holding any Office of Profit or Trust under them, shall, without the Consent of the Congress, accept of any present, Emolument, Office, or Title, of any kind whatever, from any King, Prince, or foreign State.

Our P.O.T.U.S. has made great financial sacrifices by his public servitude. For example, he donates his U.S. Presidential salary to charity. He paid for the Clemson Tiger football team's Big Macs or Whoppers his staff served to them during their white house luncheon when the federal government was shut-down. He has offered to provide Trump owned resort facilities to government officials or foreign emissaries at bargain prices, which Trump would not profit. Hence, emolument wouldn't pertain to Trump being so kind as to having the G-7 Summit meeting held at the non-profiteering Doral Golf Resort owned by Trump.

 

[Jollybear]

Once again, do not accuse others of your sins.

Your over simplified approach fails because there are other benefits besides that. That you would excuse such behavior when even Republicans were squawking about it only tells us that you simply cannot reason rationally when the Cheetos colored one speaks.

Heres what you keep ignoring. Leaders paying for a room is not a bribe. Its leaders paying money in exchange for a room.

Even if the meeting was somewhere else and not at trumps hotel, trump could STILL accept a bribe.

That FACT proves beyond a doubt that its YOU and every other leftist on here, not me, that is irrational.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Heres what you keep ignoring. Leaders paying for a room is not a bribe. Its leaders paying money in exchange for a room.

Even if the meeting was somewhere else and not at trumps hotel, trump could STILL accept a bribe.

That FACT proves beyond a doubt that its YOU and every other leftist on here, not me, that is irrational.

You think it is not a bribe. The problem is that it is illegal. Even if there was no attempt at a bribe it looks that way. The emoluments clause is in our Constitution because there often is that sort of bribery.

Your inability to reason rationally tells us that you are the irrational one here. Please do not lie about others. Do you remember your example of the gifts that Obama got? He turned those over to Congress. Even when the Congress was controlled by the Republicans he did this. He did not want to even appear to break the laws that Trump regularly breaks.