Rediscoveries of the Milky Way

[Native]

Presenter Anton Petrov refers in his newest YouTube video to “new Milky Way discoveries” which in fact are several thousands of years old.

“Mind blowing New Discoveries About the Milky Way Galaxy”

These modern discoveries doesn´t surprise genuine Comparative Mythologists at all.

The ancient mythical “Light of Creation” = Electromagnetic Forces, and of course this is governing the Milky Way as everything else in cosmos.

For instants, in the Egyptian Ogdoad creation story, Amun-Ra represent the central Milky Way Light.

Some article authors are on the correct electromagnetic track here, but sadly Anton keeps on referring to the long outdated “cosmic galactic collisions and merging” and “gravitational waves”.

Video timestamps:
0:00 Gaia discoveries keep rewriting books.
0:35 Magnetic field discoveries and new magnetic maps.
2:49 Magnetic fields are chaotic and cause star formation.
4:02 eRosita bubbles form magnetic lines.
5:57 Bubbles are produced by quiet galaxies in specific regions.
7:20 Galaxy contains huge toroids that spin everything.
8:20 Galactic collision signs - The Great Wave.
10:28 Stars near us are super old - so is our galaxy.
11:35 Wrinkles suggest recent collisions.
12:50 Smith's cloud...coming soon.

What are your thoughts of this?

 

[ppp]

What are your thoughts of this?

My thoughts are that you are trying to get views on your video.

 

[Native]

My thoughts are that you are trying to get views on your video.

It´s not my video, so try again.

 

[Heyo]

What are your thoughts of this?

I think you heard "magnetic" and assumed confirmation of the "magnetic universe" hypothesis. That's wishful thinking.

 

[Native]

I think you heard "magnetic" and assumed confirmation of the "magnetic universe" hypothesis. That's wishful thinking.

I heard Anton speaking of significant electromagnetic influences in the Milky Way, so why shouldn´t this be the case all over the places?

At least this "wishfull thinking" is scientifically confirmed by telescopes whcih cannot be said about much else in the Standard Model.

 

[gnostic]

These modern discoveries doesn´t surprise genuine Comparative Mythologists at all.

The ancient mythical “Light of Creation” = Electromagnetic Forces, and of course this is governing the Milky Way as everything else in cosmos.

For instants, in the Egyptian Ogdoad creation story, Amun-Ra represent the central Milky Way Light.

Some article authors are on the correct electromagnetic track here, but sadly Anton keeps on referring to the long outdated “cosmic galactic collisions and merging” and “gravitational waves”.

Video timestamps:
0:00 Gaia discoveries keep rewriting books.
0:35 Magnetic field discoveries and new magnetic maps.
2:49 Magnetic fields are chaotic and cause star formation.
4:02 eRosita bubbles form magnetic lines.
5:57 Bubbles are produced by quiet galaxies in specific regions.
7:20 Galaxy contains huge toroids that spin everything.
8:20 Galactic collision signs - The Great Wave.
10:28 Stars near us are super old - so is our galaxy.
11:35 Wrinkles suggest recent collisions.
12:50 Smith's cloud...coming soon.

What are your thoughts of this?

nothing in the video in any way confirmed your Amun-Ra myth, as none of the myths in Egypt mention anything about magnetic fields or galactic collisions or anything about spinning or rotating, and so on.

in the Old Kingdom period Pyramid Texts (late 3rd millennium BCE), Amun and Ra were 2 different & separate gods, where Amun was only scattered mentions, where Ra was the creator god & head of the pantheon, and Amun was not.

Ra was worshipped throughout Egypt, throughout 3rd millennium to 2nd millennium BCE, while Amun was one of 8 deities (Ogdoad) worshipped in Khemenu (later known in 3rd century BCE, as Hermopolis during the Macedonian-Greek Ptolemaic dynasty), and worshipped no where else.

Nothing in the earlier Amun from the Old Kingdom period (3rd to 6th dynasties) and Middle Kingdom period (11th to 12th dynasties), connected Amun to the Milky Way. It was the sky goddess Hathor was connected to the Milky Way, during these periods.

And it was the with the Middle Kingdom period Coffin Texts (early 2nd millennium BCE), where there were not much information about Amun. Amun did grew in popularity, when his centre moved from Khemenu to Waset (or Thebes in Greek). But still there was not much myths about him until the later half of 2nd millennium BCE, from the 18th dynasty, onward, and by then the Egyptians have amalgamated Amun with the all-powerful Ra, and only then was Amun worshiped throughout Egypt.

Anyway, nothing in Anton’s video confirmed anything about the Amun-Ra myths.

This is nothing but Equivocation, plus confirmation bias of your myth.

 

[It Aint Necessarily So]

Video timestamps:
0:00 Gaia discoveries keep rewriting books.
0:35 Magnetic field discoveries and new magnetic maps.
2:49 Magnetic fields are chaotic and cause star formation.
4:02 eRosita bubbles form magnetic lines.
5:57 Bubbles are produced by quiet galaxies in specific regions.
7:20 Galaxy contains huge toroids that spin everything.
8:20 Galactic collision signs - The Great Wave.
10:28 Stars near us are super old - so is our galaxy.
11:35 Wrinkles suggest recent collisions.
12:50 Smith's cloud...coming soon.

What are your thoughts of this?

I don't see the point of posting a link about such esoteric topics of interest to almost nobody on RF. I looked at your list of topics, listened to the first minute, and realized that this was going to be tedious with little value in hearing it.

Others think you have some stealth, unstated agenda. Maybe. If so, perhaps you should have started with that and used your video to support it, although I would prefer a transcript I could skim and which you could quote in support of whatever it is you're thinking.

 

[Heyo]

I don't see the point of posting a link about such esoteric topics of interest to almost nobody on RF. I looked at your list of topics, listened to the first minute, and realized that this was going to be tedious with little value in hearing it.

You should listen to Anton, daily. He is one of my favourite science communicators. This video is not typical for his work, as it is a list of related phenomena. He usually has one experiment or paper on which he focuses. He usually understands what he is talking about and avoids clickbait and hyperbole.

 

[gnostic]

I don't see the point of posting a link about such esoteric topics of interest to almost nobody on RF. I looked at your list of topics, listened to the first minute, and realized that this was going to be tedious with little value in hearing it.

Others think you have some stealth, unstated agenda. Maybe. If so, perhaps you should have started with that and used your video to support it, although I would prefer a transcript I could skim and which you could quote in support of whatever it is you're thinking.

You should listen to Anton, daily. He is one of my favourite science communicators. This video is not typical for his work, as it is a list of related phenomena. He usually has one experiment or paper on which he focuses. He usually understands what he is talking about and avoids clickbait and hyperbole.

While Anton does report some of the news of discoveries by the Gaia’s observations of the Milky Way and reporting some of the data analyzed by astrophysicists, his video also contains lots of speculation too, that haven’t been verified & confirmed.

Anton repeatedly tell us to wait and see, so he is being cautious with his speculation.

but my problem isn’t with Anton, but with @Native trying to mix these Gaia findings with his belief in myth about Amun-Ra.

 

[Native]

nothing in the video in any way confirmed your Amun-Ra myth, as none of the myths in Egypt mention anything about magnetic fields or galactic collisions or anything about spinning or rotating, and so on.

Nice to hear from you again, Gnostic
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You don´t have to lecture me in Egyptian mythology.

Is it really that difficult for you to interpret the ancient concept of LIGHT as electromagnetic activity? And, as you surely know, electric currents induces spinning magnetic fields.

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“Initially possibly one of eight deities in the Hermapolite creation myth, his worship expanded. "..." , Amun acquired national importance, expressed in his fusion with the Sun god, Ra, as Amun-Ra (alternatively spelled Amon-Ra or Amun-Re). On his own, he was also thought to be the king of the gods”.

“On his own, he was also thought to be the king of gods”.

If interpreting Amun-Ra as referring to the Sun, it becomes nonsense as our Sun logically isn´t the “King God” of the entire physical nocturnal observable scenario seen from the Earth, including the Milky Way contours and Central Light.

You have to differ between Amum-Ra = The Milky Way CENTRAL LIGHT and Ra = Our Sun and "son" of the Milky Way Light. This is what the above quoted "fusion" between the galactic Amun-Ra and Ra, the Sun is all about.

 

[Native]

I don't see the point of posting a link about such esoteric topics of interest to almost nobody on RF. I looked at your list of topics, listened to the first minute, and realized that this was going to be tedious with little value in hearing it.

Well, then I don´t know why you´re replying in the first place.

 

[Native]

You should listen to Anton, daily. He is one of my favourite science communicators. This video is not typical for his work, as it is a list of related phenomena. He usually has one experiment or paper on which he focuses. He usually understands what he is talking about and avoids clickbait and hyperbole.

In my document files I have hundreds of video articles of Anton, so I really have listened to him for several years. I wouldn´t call him a commentator, but rather a referator of the standing conditions in the Standard Cosmology and it´s numerous articles to keep the funding going.

But it was refreshing to me to hear about the electromagnetic conditions in the Milky Way, which I, as a Comparative Mythologist, connected to the ancient Creation Story concept of LIGHT.

Yes, Anton really understand what theories and ideas he is referring to - Unfortunately he is mostly referring to cosmic conditions which isn´t understood by conventional cosmologists at all.

 

[Native]

but my problem isn’t with Anton, but with @Native trying to mix these Gaia findings with his belief in myth about Amun-Ra.

There is nothing new under the Sun regarding your mythical interpretative troubles, is there?

The ancient mythical LIGHT concept isn´t real light with real electromagnetic qualities and properties, it´s only a fairy tale to you.

 

[gnostic]

Is it really that difficult for you to interpret the ancient concept of LIGHT as electromagnetic activity? And, as you surely know, electric currents induces spinning magnetic fields.

Except that in ancient times, noone knew the relationship with of light to the electric fields & magnetic fields, Native, let alone electromagnetic fields. The ancient Egyptians certainly didn't know that.

i don’t about Egypt itself, but the 3rd millennium BCE Sumer and the Indus Valley were aware of the natural magnet, the lodestones, so the Early Bronze Age people did know of magnets attract other metals especially iron, but they certainly didn’t know the connection of the magnetic field to electricity or to light.

What you are talking about “electromagnetic field” are something they didn’t know about, so what you are claiming about the ancient Egyptians’ knowledge are just anachronistic and sophistry.

Did Egyptians know that the sun provide sunlight and heat? Yes, they did, but also everyone knew that, not just in the Bronze Ag, also in the earlier Neolithic periods.

Did Egyptians know that the lights were electromagnetic waves? Did they know the properties of electromagnetic waves? No, and no.

 

[Native]

Except that in ancient times, noone knew the relationship with of light to the electric fields & magnetic fields, Native, let alone electromagnetic fields. The ancient Egyptians certainly didn't know that.

Thanks for replying.

The modern definition and description of the EM doesn´t matter at all, as most of our ancestors understood the cosmological essence caused by the EM-forces of creation as explained by allegories and symbols in their numerous cultural Stories of Creation.

A creation story only concerning the creation of the Milky Way and NOT an entire Universe, which our ancestors had/have to be eternal by nature.

Logically, "Light" for our ancestors works equally as Light today for the present humans. It´s just a question of recognizing this and making the conscious cultural and mythical connection.

 

[gnostic]

The modern definition and description of the EM doesn´t matter at all, as most of our ancestors understood the cosmological essence caused by the EM-forces of creation as explained by allegories and symbols in their numerous cultural Stories of Creation.

Of course, it mattered, Native, as you were the one who brought it up in the OP, when you trying to justify the Egyptian myth of Amun-Ra with modern science.

If it didn't matter, you would have not started this thread in the 1st place.

A creation story only concerning the creation of the Milky Way and NOT an entire Universe, which our ancestors had/have to be eternal by nature.

Logically, "Light" for our ancestors works equally as Light today for the present humans. It´s just a question of recognizing this and making the conscious cultural and mythical connection.

There have been a number of myths about the Milky Way, from different cultures.

The one I know best, is the story about the goddess Hera and the infant Heracles (Hercules).

Amphitryon, Alcmene's husband, fearing the the goddess as she was known for her jealousy toward Zeus' dalliance with mortal women, abandoned Heracles in the woods. Athena brought the infant to the goddess, tricking Hera into nursing the infant. Heracles bit her nipple that she pulled away from the infant, squirting her milk to the sky, thereby creating the Milky Way.

There are couple of other versions to this myth. The Milky Way comes from the Greek word γαλαξίας (galaxías), where γάλα translated to "milk".

I also know of the story of Marduk from the Babylonian epic, Enûma Eliš, where the Milky Way was created from the severed tail of goddess Tiamat (a personification of the primeval ocean, but in the form of the dragon).

The funny thing is that the original Amun, one of the primordial gods of the Ogdoad (from the 3rd millennium BCE), was never connected to the Milky Way. During the Old Kingdom period, the Pyramid Texts only mentioned him, very briefly, never associated him with the light, stars or the Milky Way, only linking him with Amaunet as a pair, with other primordial pairs. There are nothing about him except that he is shadow or hidden in shadow. Nu, the primordial abyss or water, is mentioned more times than Amun in the pyramid texts. The main focus as creator god in the Pyramid Texts is Ra, or Ra-Atum.

Amun only appeared as supreme god from the New Kingdom‘s 18th dynasty and onwards, when he absorbed all of Ra’s original attributes as Sun god as well as creator god, and their names became entwined as Amun-Ra.

The Old Kingdom and New Kingdom painted very different pictures of Amun.

 

[gnostic]

And if I remember correctly.

Some other versions of the Milky Way myth, include a number of sky- or cow-goddesses, like Bat, Mehet-Weret, Hathor, and even Nut, were all identified as personifications of the sky and the Milky Way…the first two goddesses are most likely associated with the Milky Way.

 

[Native]

Of course, it mattered, Native, as you were the one who brought it up in the OP, when you trying to justify the Egyptian myth of Amun-Ra with modern science.

Gnostic, you misunderstood my argument.

I said:

The modern definition and description of the EM doesn´t matter at all, as most of our ancestors understood the cosmological essence caused by the EM-forces of creation as explained by allegories and symbols in their numerous cultural Stories of Creation.

Our ancestors knew by physical obvservations and intuitive visions how "LIGHT" in general works, and they embedded this knowledge in their numerous cultural Stories of Creation which of course are very similar in its basics.

There have been a number of myths about the Milky Way, from different cultures.

I´m very pleased to know you know

The funny thing is that the original Amun, one of the primordial gods of the Ogdoad (from the 3rd millennium BCE), was never connected to the Milky Way. During the Old Kingdom period, the Pyramid Texts only mentioned him, very briefly, never associated him with the light, stars or the Milky Way, only linking him with Amaunet as a pair, with other primordial pairs. There are nothing about him except that he is shadow or hidden in shadow. Nu, the primordial abyss or water, is mentioned more times than Amun in the pyramid texts. The main focus as creator god in the Pyramid Texts is Ra, or Ra-Atum.

I´m fully aware of the different dynastic Ogdoad creation stories and it´s historically reduced and disconnected interpretations.

"Amun" is an eternal imminent primordial force-deity which manifests as "a fiery LIGHT" when the Ogdoad double human symbolized polarities and elements in "the primordial unconstructred soup" comes together. The big question is then: Which LIGHT is described here?
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“In Egyptian mythology, the Milky Way was considered a pool of cow's milk. The Milky Way was deified as a fertility cow-goddess by the name of Bat (later on syncretized with the sky goddess Hathor).

The astronomer Or Graur has suggested that the Egyptians may have seen the Milky Way as a celestial depiction of the sky goddess Nut”.
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Bat, Hathor, and Nut are different dynastic dubbed resemblances of the Milky Way, and if taking the mythical Hathor familiarity, she is the daughter of a LIGHT, which logically cannot be the Sun, Ra.

It obviously isn´t our Sun which have created the entire Milky Way, so Hathor must logically have another LIGHT for her origin, namely the central galactic LIGHT from where her female celestial shape is formed on the southern Earth hemisphere as illustrated here - The great Mother Goddess

As Amun is directly connected to the creation story and manifests as “a fiery light” which fathered Hathor, it cannot be Ra = Our Sun, but Amun-Ra which represent the central Milky Way Light.

If scholars and laymen have no ideas of the cosmological and galactic extents in the ancient Creation Stories and take these informations seriously, they have no other options but to interpret the Sun = Ra as the prime force of creation, which it logically isn´t.

It is Amun-Ra = the central Milky Way Light, thus having our Sun = Ra as its “Son”.

You have to differ logically between these two sources of light and their creative forces and make the logical connections.

 

[Native]

And if I remember correctly.

Some other versions of the Milky Way myth, include a number of sky- or cow-goddesses, like Bat, Mehet-Weret, Hathor, and even Nut, were all identified as personifications of the sky and the Milky Way…the first two goddesses are most likely associated with the Milky Way.

Your addition crossed my reply.

 

[gnostic]

Bat, Hathor, and Nut are different dynastic dubbed resemblances of the Milky Way, and if taking the mythical Hathor familiarity, she is the daughter of a LIGHT, which logically cannot be the Sun, Ra.

It obviously isn´t our Sun which have created the entire Milky Way, so Hathor must logically have another LIGHT for her origin, namely the central galactic LIGHT from where her female celestial shape is formed on the southern Earth hemisphere as illustrated here - The great Mother Goddess

As Amun is directly connected to the creation story and manifests as “a fiery light” which fathered Hathor, it cannot be Ra = Our Sun, but Amun-Ra which represent the central Milky Way Light.

If scholars and laymen have no ideas of the cosmological and galactic extents in the ancient Creation Stories and take these informations seriously, they have no other options but to interpret the Sun = Ra as the prime force of creation, which it logically isn´t.

It is Amun-Ra = the central Milky Way Light, thus having our Sun = Ra as its “Son”.

You have to differ logically between these two sources of light and their creative forces and make the logical connections.

if you are familiar with Egyptian myths as I am, then you should know that different periods (eg Predynastic Period, Old, Middle, New kingdoms, Late Period, etc), different dynasties, different cult centres (eg Heliopolis, Hermopolis, Memphis, Thebes, Edfu, Dendera, etc), will have different myths about the deities, like parentage, children, siblings.

Yes, I am well aware that in some myths that Hathor is depicted as Ra’s daughter, but I also know of where she is his wife/consort In different myth.

That’s my point about Amun, in my previous post, there are always different details in different myths, so always expect inconsistencies in these myths.

Earlier myth about indicate that Amun was not the supreme being, Ra was, eg compare myths between Old Kingdom period vs New Kingdom period. Old Kingdom Amun also doesn’t say anything that connecting him to the Milky Way.

Until you understand that, then we are going to continue to argue in circles.