Religion and homosexuality

[LittleNipper]

Whats the difference if they find out that they're infertile after the fact, the point is they still cannot bear any children. Which means they are in the same position as a homosexual couple. So, your objection doesn't work.

No they are not. Homosexuals have sex fully knowing that they are not, can not, and will not produce a baby. They are having sex to have sex.

 

[Autodidact]

My wife and I were married, and it was determined that the reason we were having aproblem conceiving was due to Endometriosis. This was not discovered until some years after we were married and a baby was not forthcoming. I do not consider our situation as out of the norm.

Men and women get married. Some wives are likely on the pill for a time to hold off having a baby right away. Then they "decide" it is time and find that they might have saved lots of maney wasted on the pill, becasue suddenly they find things are not going as they planned.

The "source" is common sense from someone who knows.

Ah, now we know why LittleNipper must at all costs avoid the thread which must not be named.

So, LittleNipper, since you and your wife cannot conceive children:
(1) You should never have sex again.
(2) You should not be married.
(3) There is no point to your marriage.

And of course, you are prohibited from divorcing her and remarrying, so basically no sex ever again for you.

No wonder you're so jealous of gay people.

My sympathy.

 

[LittleNipper]

Tristesse is right. Whats the difference even if they find out after the fact?

Also, what about girls who were violently raped at at extremly young age (by straight men none the less) and so much internal damage was done that they are told that they will never be able to have children. Are you saying that they should never be allowed to enter marrige?

If, if , if... The reality is homosexual sex produces NO CHILDREN! NEVER! The sexual relationship between a man and woman as least has a reasonable chance of a miracle connected with it. Miracles are always a gift from GOD.

 

[Autodidact]

No they are not. Homosexuals have sex fully knowing that they are not, can not, and will not produce a baby. They are having sex to have sex.

(1) As do you. Hypocrite much? Oh, wait, you're Christian. That's redundant.

(2) Unless, unlike you, they love each other.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

No they are not. Homosexuals have sex fully knowing that they are not, can not, and will not produce a baby. They are having sex to have sex.

I don't want to be the one to break it to you, but heterosexual people have sex to have sex, too. Even married ones.

 

[Autodidact]

If, if , if... The reality is homosexual sex produces NO CHILDREN! NEVER! The sexual relationship between a man and woman as least has a reasonable chance of a miracle connected with it. Miracles are always a gift from GOD.

Hey, if we're talking miracles, then it is possible for two women to conceive. Think Mary.

 

[LittleNipper]

Ah, now we know why LittleNipper must at all costs avoid the thread which must not be named.

So, LittleNipper, since you and your wife cannot conceive children:
(1) You should never have sex again.
(2) You should not be married.
(3) There is no point to your marriage.

And of course, you are prohibited from divorcing her and remarrying, so basically no sex ever again for you.

No wonder you're so jealous of gay people.

My sympathy.

We had a blessed miracle and it would seem that homosexuals are jealous of me. My union was rewarded and theirs will NEVER be.

 

[LittleNipper]

I don't want to be the one to break it to you, but heterosexual people have sex to have sex, too. Even married ones.

But, they may still have a child.

 

[LittleNipper]

Hey, if we're talking miracles, then it is possible for two women to conceive. Think Mary.

Mary's conception had NOTHING to do with another woman.

 

[Autodidact]

We had a blessed miracle and it would seem that homosexuals are jealous of me. My union was rewarded and theirs will NEVER be.

I'm blessed with three children as well, and feel very good about the way they were conceived.

 

[Autodidact]

Mary's conception had NOTHING to do with another woman.

Or man.

 

[Autodidact]

But, they may still have a child.

Or not, if they are using birth control, or if one of them is infertile.

I suppose you would never have sex while your wife was pregnant?

 

[averageJOE]

If, if , if... The reality is homosexual sex produces NO CHILDREN! NEVER! The sexual relationship between a man and woman as least has a reasonable chance of a miracle connected with it. Miracles are always a gift from GOD.

Right, now we are speaking in terms of "miracles". I guess to you it's still "reasonable" for a woman to have a baby even after having a hysterectomy.

 

[Tristesse]

No they are not. Homosexuals have sex fully knowing that they are not, can not, and will not produce a baby. They are having sex to have sex.

And I have sex too without the need or want to have children, I do it mainly for pleasure, what's your point? Are you telling me that every time you have sex, you're doing it with the intention of having children? I have sex just to have sex all of the time, as do most couples. You're not making a whole lot of sense.

 

[Mr Cheese]

My wife and I were married, and it was determined that the reason we were having aproblem conceiving was due to Endometriosis. This was not discovered until some years after we were married and a baby was not forthcoming. I do not consider our situation as out of the norm.

Men and women get married. Some wives are likely on the pill for a time to hold off having a baby right away. Then they "decide" it is time and find that they might have saved lots of maney wasted on the pill, becasue suddenly they find things are not going as they planned.

The "source" is common sense from someone who knows.

then they are having sex...knowing full well it is sex to NOT have a baby

that is sinful

You should condemn and stone these people to death

 

[Mr Cheese]

Right, now we are speaking in terms of "miracles". I guess to you it's still "reasonable" for a woman to have a baby even after having a hysterectomy.

Its also reasonable for a woman to eat 50 turnips, have sex, and have a baby.

Turnips....mmmm

 

[Sunstone]

They are having sex to have sex.

The notion that sex for the sake of sex is inferior to sex for the sake of procreation is incredibly primitive, don't you think?

 

[Smoke]

My wife and I were married, and it was determined that the reason we were having aproblem conceiving was due to Endometriosis. This was not discovered until some years after we were married and a baby was not forthcoming. I do not consider our situation as out of the norm.

Has the medical problem been resolved so that you can have children, or have you given up sexual relations and taken steps to end a pointless marriage?

 

[Zadok]

And what, other than blind bigotry, makes you think that same-sex parents cannot provide this?


I'm going to lay a word on you that will change your life, if you can follow it:

LOVE.

I recommend that you learn about it.

I do not understand how same sex parents are willing to put their selfishness aside for the benifit of children. Perhaps you can explain it to me.

I am not saying homosexuals cannot have a relationship - only that such a relationship will not make them parents. They can adopt but this is not a sustaining relationship that can continue on in generations. I have not said that they cannot have stewardship over children out of love. What I am saying is that the first responsibiliy is to biological parents and the first obligation for society to to biological parents. All that I have said is that we should not think things equal that are not.

I love children and I want the best for children. I believe the best for children is to be in a home with both biological parents that love each other and their children. If you do not agree than explain what is better and therefore a more enlightened demonstration of love.

Zadok

 

[Tristesse]

I do not understand how same sex parents are willing to put their selfishness aside for the benifit of children. Perhaps you can explain it to me.

I am not saying homosexuals cannot have a relationship - only that such a relationship will not make them parents. They can adopt but this is not a sustaining relationship that can continue on in generations. I have not said that they cannot have stewardship over children out of love. What I am saying is that the first responsibiliy is to biological parents and the first obligation for society to to biological parents. All that I have said is that we should not think things equal that are not.

I love children and I want the best for children. I believe the best for children is to be in a home with both biological parents that love each other and their children. If you do not agree than explain what is better and therefore a more enlightened demonstration of love.

Zadok

Wow!!! I know straight couples who could take some notes on better parenting from gay couples. Your sexual orientation has nothing to do with you parenting skills. What selfishness are you talking about? How is it selfish to be gay? I don't understand.

What about all of the kids who have been thrown into adoption agencies, they desperately need parents. And I think it's great when a couple regardless of their orientation adopts a child.