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Religion answers the factual questions science neglects

SageTree

Spiritual Friend
Premium Member
Religion answers the factual questions science neglects

The real question is not whether religion is compatible with science, but whether it tackles questions science ignores




Religion answers the factual questions science neglects

The real question is not whether religion is compatible with science, but whether it tackles questions science ignores



guardian.co.uk
Monday 31 October 2011 13.00 GMT

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    'Claims that the cosmos is created do not trespass onto scientific territory.' Photograph: Ace Stock Limited/Alamy




    Julian Baggini raises the question of whether religion and science are compatible. But, as he implies, that question is too generally phrased to be helpful. We need to ask if particular religious and scientific claims conflict, or whether they are mutually supportive or not. Some are and some are not, and it would be silly to say that all religious claims conflict with all scientific claims, or that they do not.
    Many religious statements are naturally construed as statements of fact – Jesus healed the sick, and rose from death, and these are factual claims. So Stephen Gould's suggestion that religion only deals with value and meaning is incorrect, though it is correct that scientists do not usually deal with such questions.
    A huge number of factual claims are not scientifically testable. Many historical and autobiographical claims, for instance, are not repeatable, not publicly observable now or in future, and are not subsumable under any general law. We know that rational answers to many historical questions depend on general philosophical views, moral views, personal experience and judgment. There are no history laboratories. Much history, like much religion, is evidence-based, but the evidence is not scientifically tractable.
    I do not see why Baggini says that religions "smuggle in" agency explanations where they do not belong (for instance, claiming that the cosmos exists because it is created by a God with a purpose). That seems to be a perfectly acceptable factual claim that no known scientific technique can answer. The physical sciences do not generally talk about non-physical and non-law-like facts such as creation by God. That does not mean that such questions are meaningless, or that there are not both rational and silly ways of answering them.
    Claims that the cosmos is created do not "trespass onto" scientific territory. They are factual claims in which scientific investigators are not, as such, interested. Scientific facts are, of course, relevant to many religious claims. But not all facts are scientific facts – the claim that I was in Oxford last night, unseen by anyone, will occur in no scientific paper, but it is a hard fact. So it is with the miracles of Jesus, with the creation of the cosmos and with its end. The interesting question is not whether religion is compatible with science, but whether there are important factual questions – and some important non-factual questions, too, such as moral ones – with which the physical sciences do not usually deal. The answer seems pretty obvious, without trying to manufacture sharp and artificial distinctions between "hows" and "whys".

By: Keith Ward
 
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angellous_evangellous

Guest
This logic would work better with "imagination" rather than "religion."
 

Quiddity

UndertheInfluenceofGiants
Better said:

Religion answers the factual questions science has no business getting into
 
the article from the OP said:
I do not see why Baggini says that religions "smuggle in" agency explanations where they do not belong (for instance, claiming that the cosmos exists because it is created by a God with a purpose). That seems to be a perfectly acceptable factual claim that no known scientific technique can answer.
No known religious technique can answer that claim, either. The title should be, "Religion guesses at the factual questions science cannot answer".
 

Quiddity

UndertheInfluenceofGiants
No known religious technique can answer that claim, either. The title should be, "Religion guesses at the factual questions science cannot answer".
If philosophy is used, guess is in my opinion poorly choosen. It's not like no rules exist.
 

Sunstone

De Diablo Del Fora
Premium Member
It's hard to credit religion with methods of inquiry as reliable or more reliable than the scientific methods of inquiry.
 

Me Myself

Back to my username
Better said:

Religion answers the factual questions science has no business getting into

I would actually agree with this one, but only after deleting a little word. Would be like this:

Religion answers the questions science has no business getting into
 
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angellous_evangellous

Guest
I would actually agree with this one, but only after deleting a little word. Would be like this:

Religion answers the questions science has no business getting into

Business ignores the questions that ferrets have no religion to question the science.
 

SageTree

Spiritual Friend
Premium Member
cool to see where and how threads play out...

I like that the word play way used at the 'box' to talk in :D
 
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angellous_evangellous

Guest
I still don't know what these questions are...

1) How adorable can Angellous possibly be?

2) What is the actual depth of the beauty of Angellous's character?

3) Is it possible for any human being to possibly have a sense of humor as elegant as Angellous?
 
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angellous_evangellous

Guest
Truly, questions of such magnificence and genius that only a ferret can answer.
 

gnomon

Well-Known Member
Religion answers the factual questions science neglects

The real question is not whether religion is compatible with science, but whether it tackles questions science ignores




By: Keith Ward

Q: What happened to the dinosaurs?
A: Renee Zellweger.

That's an answer. Completely meaningless but it's an answer.

I would say that religion has primarily played a role in passing on traditions from generation to generation. Cultural maintenance. Doesn't really provide a methodology to understand the universe or, dare I say it, even ourselves. But even that is way too simplistic.
 
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SageTree

Spiritual Friend
Premium Member
Things that are interesting to me is that when 'spiritual' stuff like meditation, yoga and other health practices are studied with scientific method and 'empirical', tangible 'facts' arise.

It's practical to know that something works in spirituality, but it's all the more fascinating to look at an MRI/Brain scan of a mediator or how certain dietary practices and preparation are found to have erased ,or made a well below average, certain common conditions.

My question or thought rather is what would it mean to have more spiritually awakened scientists?

Are there variables that could more easily be seen....
Would new methods arise?
Is there only 5 senses?
And if so HOW can it be studied more clearly and clinically?
 

gnomon

Well-Known Member
Things that are interesting to me is that when 'spiritual' stuff like meditation, yoga and other health practices are studied with scientific method and 'empirical', tangible 'facts' arise.

It's practical to know that something works in spirituality, but it's all the more fascinating to look at an MRI/Brain scan of a mediator or how certain dietary practices and preparation are found to have erased ,or made a well below average, certain common conditions.

My question or thought rather is what would it mean to have more spiritually awakened scientists?

Are there variables that could more easily be seen....
Would new methods arise?
Is there only 5 senses?
And if so HOW can it be studied more clearly and clinically?

But these studies are not actually measuring spirituality are they?

We've seen claims about martial artists that involve spiritual development that break down to nothing more than what we know about physics.

Also, scientists already recognize more than five senses. Ever closed your eyes and then touched your nose? That's not the sense of smell, hearing or touch that allows you to touch your nose with your eyes closed. That's proprioception. Pain. That's another sense.

Might it be that something works, and has always worked, but people have applied the term spiritual to it when the fact might be it works regardless of any such attachment?
 

9-10ths_Penguin

1/10 Subway Stalinist
Premium Member
That which belongs to philosophy.
Again: such as?

And I'm not sure I get your distinction, because science and philosophy overlap. In fact, as I pointed out in another thread recently, science is a discipline within philosophy.
 
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