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Religion answers the factual questions science neglects

Quiddity

Quiddity

UndertheInfluenceofGiants
9-10ths_Penguin said:
Again: such as?

And I'm not sure I get your distinction, because science and philosophy overlap. In fact, as I pointed out in another thread recently, science is a discipline within philosophy.
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Underlying philosophical predispositions is not the same thing as applying the scientific method. The overlap is there and highly debated, but it's no where near as solid as to deem it worthy of scientific merit of the same caliber. Science as an ideology is just too green to warrant your confidence. I fear you may just turn into a zombie like me.
 
9-10ths_Penguin

9-10ths_Penguin

1/10 Subway Stalinist
Premium Member
Victor said:
Underlying philosophical predispositions is not the same thing as applying the scientific method. The overlap is there and highly debated, but it's no where near as solid as to deem it worthy of scientific merit of the same caliber. Science as an ideology is just too green to warrant your confidence. I fear you may just turn into a zombie like me.
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So I guess you're not going to give me an example of something that science has no business trying to answer, right?
 
9-10ths_Penguin

9-10ths_Penguin

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Victor said:
Did you just wiff on what I said? I just clearly noted a distinction and you want to win a debate...pfff. Let it go...
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I'm not trying to win a debate. I'm just trying to figure out what you're driving at. Where are the limits (or what you consider to be the "proper" limits) of science as you see them?
 
Quiddity

Quiddity

UndertheInfluenceofGiants
9-10ths_Penguin said:
I'm not trying to win a debate. I'm just trying to figure out what you're driving at. Where are the limits (or what you consider to be the "proper" limits) of science as you see them?
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Natural science as we know it (the science used to test and measure) has little to no merit in Epistemological world. Is it helpful? Sure. But that's as far as it goes.

Does that cover your limit question?

I'm well aware the likes of Sam and Daniel write on this stuff but the science community is no where near as united on this. Not even close.
 
Panda

Panda

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Sorry if you have answered this already Victor but should religion then not get involved in parts of science as well then?
 
Quiddity

Quiddity

UndertheInfluenceofGiants
Panda said:
Sorry if you have answered this already Victor but should religion then not get involved in parts of science as well then?
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That is a real good question. I answered that here:

http://www.religiousforums.com/forum/science-vs-religion/120189-scientism.html

Like many non-theist I'd be wary to open the flood gates to just any priori. A good scientist [IMO] is both wary of all and open to all. In short, all sciences should lean on the natural sciences for support. However, as I noted in my link above, a good portion of the science community has forgotten that it was criticisms and conflict that gave birth to many discoveries. It's fear of religion slowly turned it into a fratt party of frightened nerds. This is a diservice to science in my opinion.
 
Photonic

Photonic

Ad astra!
Victor said:
That is a real good question. I answered that here:

http://www.religiousforums.com/forum/science-vs-religion/120189-scientism.html

Like many non-theist I'd be wary to open the flood gates to just any priori. A good scientist [IMO] is both wary of all and open to all. In short, all sciences should lean on the natural sciences for support. However, as I noted in my link above, a good portion of the science community has forgotten that it was criticisms and conflict that gave birth to many discoveries. It's fear of religion slowly turned it into a fratt party of frightened nerds. This is a diservice to science in my opinion.
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So maybe tell religion to *** off for us if you perceive it to be bullying.
 
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Kilgore Trout

Kilgore Trout

Misanthropic Humanist
Ah, the endless sisyphean task of attempting to equalize religion and science. They are persistent. Boring, redundant, and misguided - but persistent.
 
Quiddity

Quiddity

UndertheInfluenceofGiants
Mr Spinkles said:
According to the OP, these are examples of factual questions:

- Did Jesus heal the sick and rise from the dead?
- Was the cosmos created by a God with a purpose?
- Was I in Oxford last night, unseen by anyone?
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You know the answer to this already and where it will go. I'm not sure where you were going with it. :shrug:
 
Mr Spinkles

Mr Spinkles

Mr
Victor said:
Really?

1. I'm a theist
2. I'm catholic

...and on and on.

Not yet? Obviously I believe those things to be true.
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Obviously you believe those things to be true, but do you believe those questions have been answered by religion?

I mean "answered" as in the way science has "answered" factual questions.
 
Quiddity

Quiddity

UndertheInfluenceofGiants
Mr Spinkles said:
Obviously you believe those things to be true, but do you believe those questions have been answered by religion?

I mean "answered" as in the way science has "answered" factual questions.
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Well, you said "fact". This word is not bound to science alone. But since you are asking in the context of science, then no.
 
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