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Religion Before Telescopes

Deeje

Avid Bible Student
Premium Member
Is archeology biased to you?

Yes, even some archeologists have leanings. Look at what they come up with to try and establish evolution as truth instead of theory.
What archeologist is going to confirm the Gesenius' Hebrew-Chaldee Lexicon as an unbiased source? :confused:
 

Deeje

Avid Bible Student
Premium Member
So now I know you do not understand what a theory is.

Anything else I should know?

"Theory.....A supposition or a system of ideas intended to explain something, especially one based on general principles independent of the thing to be explained" (Oxford Dictionary)

Funny how they had to change the meaning of the word to suit their agenda. All of a sudden, "theory" means "fact". Sorry I don't buy it. You can if you wish.
All the literature I have read on scientific theories (like evolution) are full of conjecture and supposition; lots of educated guessing but no real facts.
 

Thief

Rogue Theologian
Isn't that a matter of interpretation? I'd say the majority would disagree or am I wrong?
fortunately....I don't follow the majority
it is written....few find the way....

and no...Chapter Two is not a retelling of Chapter One.

In Chapter One....Man as a species....male and female...
go forth be fruitful and multiply
dominate all things
no law....no garden...no names....no restrictions

Chapter Two is an experiment of alteration
a chosen specimen...isolated, ideal living conditions....
followed by anesthesia, surgery, cloning, genetic manipulation.....

Adam was given his twin sister for a bride
Eve is not born of woman....no navel
 

Faronator

Genetically Engineered
fortunately....I don't follow the majority
it is written....few find the way....

and no...Chapter Two is not a retelling of Chapter One.

In Chapter One....Man as a species....male and female...
go forth be fruitful and multiply
dominate all things
no law....no garden...no names....no restrictions

Chapter Two is an experiment of alteration
a chosen specimen...isolated, ideal living conditions....
followed by anesthesia, surgery, cloning, genetic manipulation.....

Adam was given his twin sister for a bride
Eve is not born of woman....no navel

I didn't say Chapter 2 was a retelling of 1 - quite the opposite in fact....

And following the majority and agreeing with the majority are two different things especially when it comes to obvious interpretation.

Just saying.
 

Thief

Rogue Theologian
I didn't say Chapter 2 was a retelling of 1 - quite the opposite in fact....

And following the majority and agreeing with the majority are two different things especially when it comes to obvious interpretation.

Just saying.
ah...so you read the Genesis account in the same way I do?
 

Riverwolf

Amateur Rambler / Proud Ergi
Premium Member
Funny how they had to change the meaning of the word to suit their agenda. All of a sudden, "theory" means "fact".

How do you know it wasn't the common parlance that changed the meaning of the word from "that which all the data has shown to be true", to "more smarty way to say guess"?

In any case, a theory is based on what you're calling "facts", but which should more properly be called "data."
 

Taylor Seraphim

Angel of Reason
"Theory.....A supposition or a system of ideas intended to explain something, especially one based on general principles independent of the thing to be explained" (Oxford Dictionary)

Funny how they had to change the meaning of the word to suit their agenda. All of a sudden, "theory" means "fact". Sorry I don't buy it. You can if you wish.
All the literature I have read on scientific theories (like evolution) are full of conjecture and supposition; lots of educated guessing but no real facts.

This shows you are not well versed in the history of the term.

Theory was first used as an English word by academia in the scientific sense and then its meaning was changed as it was used in the way you are using it by uneducated circles.
 

Faronator

Genetically Engineered
This shows you are not well versed in the history of the term.

Theory was first used as an English word by academia in the scientific sense and then its meaning was changed as it was used in the way you are using it by uneducated circles.

Does that make it okay though? Who changed the meaning? If a global vote succeeded in changing the meaning of the word sex to assault - would you ever look at it as such? Not arguing with your point just merely throwing something out there for the sake of argument.

I mean - guess and fact are two very different things are they not?

:)
 

Taylor Seraphim

Angel of Reason
Does that make it okay though? Who changed the meaning? If a global vote succeeded in changing the meaning of the word sex to assault - would you ever look at it as such? Not arguing with your point just merely throwing something out there for the sake of argument.

I mean - guess and fact are two very different things are they not?

:)

I was just refuting that science changed the word's meaning for an agenda.

I wasn't asserting that using the word theory to mean something else in casual language is not okay.
 

Riverwolf

Amateur Rambler / Proud Ergi
Premium Member
Does that make it okay though? Who changed the meaning? If a global vote succeeded in changing the meaning of the word sex to assault - would you ever look at it as such?

You don't need to use such hypotheticals. There's plenty of examples where words have completely changed their meanings over time. One of my favorites (since it's something that's important in my religion, Heathenry) is the word "wyrd." In Old English, that word meant something in between "fate" (wholly unchangeable) and "destiny" (totally changeable). It is the ancestor of the modern word "weird," which of course has a completely different meaning.

Words change meanings all the time, depending on the needs of those who use them. The word "theory" in its more casual sense of "educated guess" is still correct; it's just not scientific. Which meaning to use depends on the context, and when talking about scientific matters, that's when the casual sense becomes incorrect, and the scientific sense needs to be used. When that casual sense is thought to be the "real" one, that's a sign that the speaker has, at best, a very loose idea of how the sciences work (regardless of their opinion on the various theories).
 

Thief

Rogue Theologian
we've had soooo many threads about theory......
but let's not digress to saying theory and fact are synonymous....
 

Faronator

Genetically Engineered
we've had soooo many threads about theory......
but let's not digress to saying theory and fact are synonymous....

I've personally always considered theory to be more synonymous with idea but maybe it's just me.
 
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