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Where did that come from?
That's what I said. They are stories that teach a moral lesson - that means that they are not historically true. That's the definition of an allegory.
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Religion is passe,
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kejos
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The New Testament.
Quite so. So what bearing can science possibly have?That's what I said. They are stories that teach a moral lesson - that means that they are not historically true. That's the definition of an allegory.
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kejos
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You brought it up.
I mean, why did you even bring that up?
I take that as retraction of the evolution idea.what are you talking about..?
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No, no I didn't. Nowhere in it did I ask why such things happen, but that to read them literally brings more questions than answers.
I would diiscuss with you, but I can't make out what you're on about. Without attempting to be rude or personally attack you - I'm not trying to, please, either write something that makes sense, or stop responding to me as I will put you on ignore.
kejos
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Deprive yourself, then.
No i didnt go away ,, i mean i am at home ,, io can see the messages but i have guests so i couldnt react so quickly
In general ,, to what i see , hear experience ,, is that its more of a tradition then real belief , it feels as though people are believing just to believe ,,
Everybody is trying to reason why and how but i just see people following the tradition of their parents ,, i have no idea what religion you guys believe in or where you are from ,, but if you would tell me your religion i would probably be able to guess your parents religion ,, and to me it just cannot be coincidence ,, and then we build our defenses around it ,, trying to reason ,, use logic ,, use our brains ,, as if we make a free choice ,, but i am not convinced (or not yet ) ,, no offense to anyone ,, just trying to figure out how believers think as i said ,, i am just saying my honest opinion here ,, thats all ,,
Why would it be passe now, as opposed to earlier times. Whatever reasons
had for believing, many of those same reasons appear to still be here.
There's plenty of room for discussion, since there are misunderstandings to deal with & always more interesting things to learn.
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kejos
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Don't react too fast. They are not all addressing your posts.
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Not always. Try me.
I am a follower of Sanatana Dharma, Hinduism.
My parents' religion/religions are: ..............?
And I accept evolution as fact, by the way.
Storm
ThrUU the Looking Glass
Why would it be passe???
,, because all the religions are based on old scripts of hundreds of years ago (or even thousands ),, in those days you could make people believe that ,, lets say ,,as an example ,, there was a guy named noah and he built a wooden ship and put couple of all the animals in it and saved the sepcies,, etc ( sorry as i said my knoiwledge of these religious stories are very limited ,, this is just a story i know ,, heard from my parents etc ) but you know how it goes,,, but now people are not so uneducated anymore,, we know that it is impossible to build such a ship cause the strength of the wood is not enough to build such a large vessel ,, (it would have to be prorbaly larger than a city ) besides its logistically impossible even today to get all the species in the world ,, and even if you could ,, then you would have 2 of every species, that means not enough genetic variation to sustain the species,, =thats is ,,most of the second third etc generation would die because of congenital malformations ,, diseasaes you get when you have not enough variety ,, etc etc ,,,
I mean ,, 1000 years ago ,, you could convince someone about this ,, since probably that person never had even seen a ship , had no idea about types ?species of animals ,, how vaste numbers there exists (probably only animals he would have seen were in his village where he would spend all his life ) and certainly wouldnt know about genetics,,
But today we live in information age ,, everyone on internet , libraries everywhere ,, even children at primary school have more knowledge than prestigious scientists of those old times,,
So how is it possible that people are still believing in it today ,???, or do you guys believe that all the science, all these universities ,, scientists ,, everything we discovered learned untill now is wrong .,, how do you combine these two different opinions,, how do you reason ,,
btw i am not specifically trying to discuss the story of noah ,, but its one of the few stories i know ,, so as just one example ,,
to be continued
Not always. Try me.
I am a follower of Sanatana Dharma, Hinduism.
My parents' religion/religions are: ..............?
And I accept evolution as fact, by the way.
i have no idea what it even means , but i suppose your parents dont share the same religion with you ?
but lets test it ,, ask the same question to 100 hindus and i bet most of them will tell you their parents are hindu too , try it
kejos
Active Member
The Noah story is treated as allegory, as are the creation stories and that of the Tower of Babel; so there is no conflict here with science, history or anything of that sort.
so you are saying you have chosen your religion consiously ? without influence of your parents ? ( btw it doesnt have to be your parents )
all i am trying to say is ,, i have the impression that there has never been a choice ,, people from christian countries tend to somehow choose christianism ,, from muslim countries , islam : etc etc ,, ofcourse there are allways exceptions to the rule ,, and i am one of them as u see,, since my parents were believers,, but ,,only exceptions ,,
if we were to test this theory ,, lets say ,, we would just pick people randomly on teh street and ask them their beliefs and their parents beliefs,, what do you think the outcome would be ,, whatever the statisctic formula u use ,, you should see that there is a huge bias ,, and that for me is undeniable fact that we never have the freedom to choose,, doesnt this proof that we have been and are being brainwashed ,, that we think we believe but actually these are the ideologies imposed on us by the culture we live in , the country , the peoploe we met ,, families etc ,,, arent christians , christians just because they live in a christian majoriy country and muslims are muslims because they ARE from a muslim country etc etc ,,is there anyone who really took an objective view to this and tried to study all religions (at least major religions ) and finally made a choice ,, objective choice,, did we ever use our logic,, our brains ,,to make the choice ,
all i am trying to say is ,, i have the impression that there has never been a choice ,, people from christian countries tend to somehow choose christianism ,, from muslim countries , islam : etc etc ,, ofcourse there are allways exceptions to the rule ,, and i am one of them as u see,, since my parents were believers,, but ,,only exceptions ,,
if we were to test this theory ,, lets say ,, we would just pick people randomly on teh street and ask them their beliefs and their parents beliefs,, what do you think the outcome would be ,, whatever the statisctic formula u use ,, you should see that there is a huge bias ,, and that for me is undeniable fact that we never have the freedom to choose,, doesnt this proof that we have been and are being brainwashed ,, that we think we believe but actually these are the ideologies imposed on us by the culture we live in , the country , the peoploe we met ,, families etc ,,, arent christians , christians just because they live in a christian majoriy country and muslims are muslims because they ARE from a muslim country etc etc ,,is there anyone who really took an objective view to this and tried to study all religions (at least major religions ) and finally made a choice ,, objective choice,, did we ever use our logic,, our brains ,,to make the choice ,
Storm
ThrUU the Looking Glass
When I was quite young, 10 or 11, I had an intense and transformative theophany. The experience itself defies description, but I knew with ever fiber of my being that I had "seen" God. I just had to figure out what the hell THAT meant!
You can read more about my rather colorful journey here. Please not that the post is in a DIR, where debate is forbidden. That said, if you wish to copy it here for further discussion, you have my blessing.