It's always had something driving said change
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Religion of Global Warming Exposed by one of their own.
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Guy Threepwood
Mighty Pirate
I forget now where that quote is from, was it Stalin, Mao, or Il Sung?
ThePainefulTruth
Romantic-Cynic
All the climategate manipulation make your "facts" highly suspect at best. You leftists always concentrate you efforts on diverting attention from and ignoring the nut of the crises you attempt to foist on the rest of us for your nefarious purposes.
Or the woman referenced in the OP.
dianaiad
Well-Known Member
"Stalinist?"
Wouldn't brag about that one, myself, even as a joke replete with very black humor. Stalin was responsible...at the most conservative estimate, for 20 million deaths. Most historians raise that number to between 40 and 60 million deaths. He was absolutely more lethal than Hitler.
Okay then; I'm an 'Authoritarian Leftist'. Political Compass says so.
None. I hate them all.
Guy Threepwood
Mighty Pirate
who subsidizes oil companies?! BP was fleeced for 20 Billion to give a few dozen seagulls a bath, a tiny fraction of the number of large birds windmills churn through every year without a penny in fines
dianaiad
Well-Known Member
Huh. I've always thought of myself as a 'right leaning libertarian,' and by golly, according to "Political Compass," I was right.
I am being slightly facetious, but as far as my politics go; I am socially conservative and fiscally liberal. This is indeed a very sort of Old School Communism.Huh. I've always thought of myself as a 'right leaning libertarian,' and by golly, according to "Political Compass," I was right.
we US taxpayers subsidize big oil.
(btw - gotta love the humor you demonstrate in your summary of the BP spill - that's a knee slapper!)
So what you're saying is, we're intentionally changing the economic landscape from a resource exploitative one, to a more earth conscious, resource sustainable form of capitalism or socialism. What's the big deal?
Guy Threepwood
Mighty Pirate
cobblers, what subsidies are US taxpayers giving to oil companies?
Okay they also found one dead snake, though they couldn't be sure if it died of natural causes, no kidding that was the result of one recovery team, who know how much that cost us.
Yerda
Veteran Member
Sir, I salute yer ability to provide us with stimulating and provocative reading material. You rarely fail to catch my attention. Now, having said that, can I ask if you intend to make any defense of the flammable material you posted above?
I have gotten the impression before that you know nothing at all about any of the science involved in modelling and predicting climate but instead rely completely on conspiratorial web sources that have not the least credibility. I myself know almost nothing about atmospheric science, meteorology, oceanography, weather systems or climate modelling so I'm willing to stand corrected if you are capable of correcting me.
I kinda hope you are right and we can celebrate the fact we aren't buggering the climate with a massive intercontinental fossil fuel bonfire party. I fear that isn't on the cards though.
All the best.
siti
Well-Known Member
Evidence - where the is your evidence. Your argument is the equivalent of suggesting that evolution is a hoax because of Piltdown Man (and yes I am very well aware that there are people stupid enough to present that argument - on this issue you are equivalent to them). I gave you several pages of evidence to look at - you have so far presented an out of context quote from a single employee of one agency who clearly doesn't even know when the industrial revolution was.
Nobody would take it seriously at all - if it wasn't so serious - but the real problem right now is that there are - believe it or not - a hell of a lot of people who believe (on the basis of some of the silliest right-wing media anti-reasoning ever in the history of humankind) that your argument is correct. You don't get science from IBD for God's sake - its not even a 'newpaper' - its a media vehicle for right wing diatribe.
You get science from making actual measurements and interpreting them according to tried and tested models - I have personally been doing that as my job (not exclusively, not even very much to be fair, for climate change or environmental research but for all kinds of research, but I have worked on the technical support side for projects with NASA, NOAA and NIWA in New Zealand that relate to the subject) for more than 30 years. I know what I am talking about and you, my dear brother, are talking through your rear end on this subject. If you don't know any better, that's OK - we can't all be scientists - but you should really shut up for a while and try and learn something from those who do know. I'm sorry to put it so bluntly, but profound ignorance has to be challenged when it holds forth its voice so strongly on such an important issue.
@suncowiam and @icehorse -
I get the impression we're not on the same page in our thinking about this, because I'm not seeing how what either of you wrote counters my argument. Icehorse requested that we somehow divorce conversations about climate change from capitalism. I countered that this was absurd, given ... well... I don't really feel like I need to repeat myself.
I get the impression we're not on the same page in our thinking about this, because I'm not seeing how what either of you wrote counters my argument. Icehorse requested that we somehow divorce conversations about climate change from capitalism. I countered that this was absurd, given ... well... I don't really feel like I need to repeat myself.
Guy Threepwood
Mighty Pirate
The only thing I take issue with here- comparing global warming to religion is a little unfair... to religion. Climastrologers would have to at least acknowledge their own faith to rise to this level. As is it's more of a superstition, a very ancient one at that
BilliardsBall
Veteran Member
Right on. I HATE blind faith. That's why I trust Jesus. My opinions on climate change vary, Jesus's power does not.
ahamtatsat
The Stranger
1950s Council of Rome was a bunch of billionaires and trillionaires (Primarily banking zionist Rothschild clones/puppets) who wanted to totally control the world by getting rid of all national boundaries, and setting up their economic control as the only viable solution. They had two concepts they thought might unite the planet - space alien invasion, and total ecological crisis - either of which would mandate everyone working for a common goal.
Well, the morons went and broke the planet - by which i mean - ALL the problems of planetary significance are caused by the metaphorical "fat rich guy" in a corporate boardroom, making decisions to squeeze another nickel out of you and i - so they can pocket it.
Every ecological problem on this planet is caused by the corporations and industries - many times in collaboration with governments. No individuals or small companies make a dent in the CO2 situation - if you swallow the "WARMER" version of "science". No small groups of people make nuke power plants - like where Fuk-u-shi-ma Die-itchy is killing the Pacific Ocean and then the rest. The US has 23 clone and cousin Nuke plants - put up with OUR TAX money assisting private corporations in making the most toxic teapot imaginable - because the ONLY thing a nuke plant has to do is to boil water.
The Ag poisons in combination with the millions of square miles of plastic gyre in the ocean (35% photosynthesis/oxygen production reduction there) have killed off over one third of the oxygen that the planet should generate. The poisons kill over 270,000 square miles of ocean every year. The ocean right outside those 270,000 sq miles (cubic?) is not pristine of course.
GMOs came within literally about 3 weeks from killing the planet - need we go on?
ALL of these problems are corporate induced problems, INFLICTED upon the world for the personal greed of the self-annointed "elite".
Then we could show how wars, poverty, hunger, much (most?) disease, are caused by the same corporate power system.
So interestingly enough, when i grew up in the 70s we were entering the new Ice Age, and the corporate solution was magically the same - move all the industry out of the US and into 3rd world countries. They at that time only hinted at how the govts would have to give up power to central authorities to save whomever could be saved...
But look at their solution for "global warming" - it does not STOP global warming. They still expect that to happen, but IF the entirety of humanity were to volunteer to become One World Eco-Slaves, then the warming would end up ( in 100 years) as one tenth of a degree Kelvin less. Really - that is not any difference at all...
Well, the morons went and broke the planet - by which i mean - ALL the problems of planetary significance are caused by the metaphorical "fat rich guy" in a corporate boardroom, making decisions to squeeze another nickel out of you and i - so they can pocket it.
Every ecological problem on this planet is caused by the corporations and industries - many times in collaboration with governments. No individuals or small companies make a dent in the CO2 situation - if you swallow the "WARMER" version of "science". No small groups of people make nuke power plants - like where Fuk-u-shi-ma Die-itchy is killing the Pacific Ocean and then the rest. The US has 23 clone and cousin Nuke plants - put up with OUR TAX money assisting private corporations in making the most toxic teapot imaginable - because the ONLY thing a nuke plant has to do is to boil water.
The Ag poisons in combination with the millions of square miles of plastic gyre in the ocean (35% photosynthesis/oxygen production reduction there) have killed off over one third of the oxygen that the planet should generate. The poisons kill over 270,000 square miles of ocean every year. The ocean right outside those 270,000 sq miles (cubic?) is not pristine of course.
GMOs came within literally about 3 weeks from killing the planet - need we go on?
ALL of these problems are corporate induced problems, INFLICTED upon the world for the personal greed of the self-annointed "elite".
Then we could show how wars, poverty, hunger, much (most?) disease, are caused by the same corporate power system.
So interestingly enough, when i grew up in the 70s we were entering the new Ice Age, and the corporate solution was magically the same - move all the industry out of the US and into 3rd world countries. They at that time only hinted at how the govts would have to give up power to central authorities to save whomever could be saved...
But look at their solution for "global warming" - it does not STOP global warming. They still expect that to happen, but IF the entirety of humanity were to volunteer to become One World Eco-Slaves, then the warming would end up ( in 100 years) as one tenth of a degree Kelvin less. Really - that is not any difference at all...
Yerda
Veteran Member
Can't tell if satire....
Guy Threepwood
Mighty Pirate
Okay, this should be good, enlighten uz ignorant masses with your scientific understanding, of how 1 or 2 extra molecules CO2 in 10,000 of air = any significant change in the climate, let alone a deleterious one.
Piltdown man was considered a cornerstone of human evolution for some 40 years, by scientific experts. The average Joe thought it was probably cobblers, they have a pretty good track record on this sort of stuff!