"Religion of Peace?"

[Aberamentho]

Sigh, Q- (3; 83) Do they seek a religion other than the religion of allah, when every soul in heaven and earth has turned to him by choice or compulsion ?
Q(8;38-39)
Q(9-29)
Q(9;5)
Q(9;11) First, if you were in front of me I would knock you on your *** for calling me a liar. Second, I know your "holy books" better than you do, third you are just another mealy mouthed arrogant moslem bozo who has the social skills of a chimpanzee.

I am scared too let me tell you.

But you probably should not lie if it angers you to be called one.

Because you didn't do what you claimed you could, and you know it.

 

[Aberamentho]

Britain is allowing it for certain cases, the first wedge in the door

Sharia is protected by the Constitution of the USA, is that a wedge too?

 

[shmogie]

I think it is clear you are both a liar and do not know nor understand Muslim Holy Books.

Because you have yet to provide evidence of your claim, but think you actually did.

Your last example was an act of mercy so you obviously aren't very bright.

I think it is clear you are both a liar and do not know nor understand Muslim Holy Books.

Because you have yet to provide evidence of your claim, but think you actually did.

Your last example was an act of mercy so you obviously aren't very bright.

Haaaha ha, you think you have refuted my claim, but you haven't. Moslems are also delusional as you show here. In defense of the indefensible, up becomes down, right becomes left, and blue becomes green. Hysteria is added to convince the delusioned of his cause. I know you won't know what an ad hominem attack is, but it is a no no here and in discussion between civilized people. You are a practitioner of this tactic, no doubt common out with the goats around the campfire. Keep it up, and you will be reported, you truly have no business here. Though I will respond to you no further, I will be watching. Like many moslems, when interacting with those outside their culture, you need to be monitored.

 

[Aberamentho]

Haaaha ha, you think you have refuted my claim, but you haven't. Moslems are also delusional as you show here. In defense of the indefensible, up becomes down, right becomes left, and blue becomes green. Hysteria is added to convince the delusioned of his cause. I know you won't know what an ad hominem attack is, but it is a no no here and in discussion between civilized people. You are a practitioner of this tactic, no doubt common out with the goats around the campfire. Keep it up, and you will be reported, you truly have no business here. Though I will respond to you no further, I will be watching. Like many moslems, when interacting with those outside their culture, you need to be monitored.

No I ACTUALLY did.

Claim otherwise all you want if you need to delude yourself to be happy, I don't want you to be sad.

Truthfully you refuted yourself by claiming knowledge of something that doesn't exist and then trying so hard to make it exist, but it doesn't and you failed to supply one instance of forced conversion.

Failed. Factually speaking you did not provide a single example of a forced conversion.

And the Qur'an still forbids it.

And you claimed it had examples you could provide us with proof of.

And you know you can't.

 

[Aberamentho]

Because clicking links are so hard for you.

Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) said: "I have been ordered (by Allah) to fight against the people until they testify that none has the right to be worshipped but Allah and that Muhammad is Allah's Messenger (ﷺ), and offer the prayers perfectly and give the obligatory charity, so if they perform that, then they save their lives and property from me except for Islamic laws and then their reckoning (accounts) will be done by Allah."
"Sahih Bukhari 1:2:25"

"You (true Muslims) are the best of peoples ever raised up for mankind." means, the best of peoples for the people, as you bring them with chains on their necks till they embrace Islam.
Sahih Bukhari 6:60:80

Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) said, "I have been ordered to fight the people till they say: 'None has the right to be worshipped but Allah.' And if they say so, pray like our prayers, face our Qibla and slaughter as we slaughter, then their blood and property will be sacred to us and we will not interfere with them except legally and their reckoning will be with Allah."
Sahih Bukhari 1:8:387

I'll be patiently waiting for your half-hearted diversion.

I hope you have a lot of patience because I only have to say that nobody was converted in this Sunnah to be forcefully converted.

The people they were fighting are mostly pagans and some treacherous Jewish tribes who would make and break peace treaties.

The pagans eventually did convert to Islam, but it was not done by force.

If you can't beat em, join em.

Jews, Christians, Sabaeans and Magians had the choice of conversion or paying a tax. It kept the peace for a very long time.

 

[Aberamentho]

"While we were in the Mosque, the Prophet came out and said, "Let us go to the Jews" We went out till we reached Bait-ul-Midras. He said to them, "If you embrace Islam, you will be safe. You should know that the earth belongs to Allah and His Apostle, and I want to expel you from this land. So, if anyone amongst you owns some property, he is permitted to sell it, otherwise you should know that the Earth belongs to Allah and His Apostle."

Sahih Bukhari (53:392)

Sounds like an attempt at a forced conversion to me.

Because you are not as informed as you are claiming.

This soldier of the defeated enemies of Islam was given a choice.

1. Convert and be under our protection.

2. Sell your house and leave town.


As treatment of enemies goes, this is a humble act of mercy and forgiveness. He didn't have to let him have a choice but did, and let him keep his house to sell.

So I would say I was justified when I called you a liar.


Because you claimed to "know and understand" better than I, the Holy Books of Islam.

Which is obviously not true at all if you mistook this as "sounds like forced conversion to me."

When the man was given choices, none involving harsh punishment for someone on the losing side of a war.

And this can not be considered a case of forced conversion and you obviously don't understand, and lied about your level of knowledge.

 

[LuisDantas]

Oh I am sorry, was I supposed to do what you want?

You can do whatever you want.

But you should expect to receive the amount and quality of attention that your actions earn.

 

[Aberamentho]

You can do whatever you want.

But you should expect to receive the amount and quality of attention that your actions earn.

I will, never intended on doing otherwise. It was rhetorical.

You are upset I am not in the position you would like me to be in, am defending my religion well, and you would like to rob me of the joy of successfully debating a couple of liars into silence because I once disagreed with you about something I don't even recall.

I would be happier if they just didn't lie, tbh.

What I expect to receive is none of your concern. You just need to say something to feel like you got the last word in.

Now if you have nothing important to say, good night and good luck.

 

[LuisDantas]

@Aberamentho , I must insist in asking you to come back when you want to be taken seriously.

It ill serves you or Islaam if you refuse to.

 

[Aberamentho]

@Aberamentho , I must insist in asking you to come back when you want to be taken seriously.

It ill serves you or Islaam if you refuse to.

I am serious.

What gives you the impression otherwise? Because I can't be made a fool of?

I don't need your opinion on what does or doesn't serve Islam, thanks anyway but no thanks.

 

[Aberamentho]

@Aberamentho , I must insist in asking you to come back when you want to be taken seriously.

It ill serves you or Islaam if you refuse to.

In fact I have been serious all along and if you don't want to take me seriously it's your choice and not my concern whatsoever.

I am satisfied that I have done well as I literally just told you.

 

[Eliab ben Benjamin]

Thank you, reminds me of my Hippie youth, and the protest movement.

 

[Aberamentho]

You can do whatever you want.

But you should expect to receive the amount and quality of attention that your actions earn.

I have to wonder, since I have done nothing but tell what is true, why you should choose to come at me?

Why not go after the guy who falsely claimed knowledge superior to mine of Muslim Holy Books, the same guy I literally proved did not understand even one single passage he was trying to pass off as something it wasn't?

Or the guy who lied saying forced conversion is in Qur'an and Hadith, when I have proven it is not? Disproven attempts to claim it is?

You go after the honest guy, for what, having confidence?

Actual honesty?

One can only wonder why you chose me, it can't be because I said something untrue and therefore am not to be taken seriously because that is not the case.

I just won't take YOU seriously and problem solved, we are even.

 

[Aberamentho]

Thank you, reminds me of my Hippie youth, and the protest movement.

Sounds like fun!

 

[Aberamentho]

@Aberamentho , I must insist in asking you to come back when you want to be taken seriously.

It ill serves you or Islaam if you refuse to.

Seriously though, how does defending the true teachings of my religion which absolutely forbids forced conversion (2:256) from people who lie and say the Qur'an and Sunnah actually teach it, "ill serving Islam?"

I am going to have to recommend you come back when you wish to act as one who wants to be taken seriously.

Because to claim that by defending my religions teachings that I am "ill serving Islam" you come across as a joke.

Besides lacking in common sense it is saying that I would be serving Islam better by letting people slander it and tell lies, distort passages meaning by ignoring historical context and context in general, that I should just allow lies to be told about my faith.

Which doesn't make any sense. I can only deduce you are possessed by a spirit of bitterness stemming from a previous interaction we had that you were left looking a little foolish after it was over, and now you are back to try and redeem yourself.

Otherwise you make no sense.

 

[Aberamentho]

How does your statement relate to the concept of Dhimmi / Dhimmitude, if at all?


What is that supposed to mean?


Why are you misrepresenting what I said?


If it is simple, than it would appear

Appear how? In what way?

that most Muslims are willing to lie or at least mislead about it for some reason.

How so? What lie? Who?

Name a specific Muslim who lied to you about Sharia, otherwise I think it only "appears" that way because you want it to.

Right... we are the liars.

But we aren't the ones claiming
that we want non Muslims to live according to the (Constitutionally protected) Sharia of Islam.

Non Muslims are making those claims, so you guys are the liars, not us.

We live according to Sharia in America, has it caused any problems for non Muslims that aren't fantasy?

How did I misrepresent what you said?

And it is that simple because Muslims don't care if non Muslims live according to Sharia, they have their religions and we respect that. We have ours.

"There is no compulsion of any sort in religion." 2:256

So how are we supposed to violate Sharia, by violating the Qur'an from which it is derived, along with Sunnah, yet enforce what we just violated if we (hypothetically) wanted to? The act of forcing Sharia on non Muslims violates Sharia and the Qur'an.

You think we want to sin just to force Sharia on people who are not Muslims? What is your rationale, propaganda?

It would be this simple to most people capable of basic understanding of Islam and is in fact that simple. Just not to you apparently.

It's just confusing to you because you think Muslims lie about Sharia, but you have no proof. People like this tend to remain confused, are easily mislead by propaganda.

 

[Aberamentho]

I would love to see people state that those who killed and threatened those people are not true Muslims...

"Those people are not real Muslims."

Loving it?

If you falsely claim to be Muslim but don't live Islam, violate everything it stands for in its name, you are an enemy of Islam and a hypocrite.

Not a Muslim at all. IS has nothing to do with Islam, isn't Islam at all anymore than Satanists are Christians, or Masons who pretend to be Christians so as to corrupt it, a better analogy.

No more than Sabbateans represent Judaism proper.

Secularism is fine if it doesn't intrude on the religious rights of humanity. If it does it's no better than Communism.

It hasn't made Turkey a better place but more corrupt.

 

[Aberamentho]

It's a book. It can be interpreted in many ways. Take out all the bad things, and there will still be people that kill in the name of Islam, because you're going to see fanatics of every faith or lack thereof. The book doesn't make anybody do anything

Besides there are other religions that are far more dangerous than anything Islam is capable of, but naturally it's not talked about

Why is she brave? Anybody can rip up pieces of paper.

Nevermind that the Bible is 1,000 times worse, not that the Qur'an is bad or the Bible, just by comparison the Bible is just disturbing,, ande statement atop the video ignores that fact.

 

[Aberamentho]

Name at least one.

Judaism, as controlled by Zionism which controls Masonry (also worse) and Christianity, the religion of the West, the most violent nation being America, and the most dangerous religion is Radical Judaism, through Bnai Brith, which controls Freemasonry and Christian Zionism which is also as dangerous wanting to destroy The Dome of the Rock because they think they can force the second coming if they rebuild the Temple Jesus (pbwh) prophecied of's destruction, that he was the "rebuilt in three days, Temple."

These people are dangerous and insane, they think Jesus will kill 2/3 of all Jews and force conversion on the remaining third.

Talk about fanatics!

Zionists take their money though, while thinking them fools and hating them for that "prophecy."

 

[Aberamentho]

Of course there is doubt. We can not refuse to perceive the facts.

Whose "facts"?

What "facts"?