Religion (proper) and science (proper) both must be devoid of superstition?

[David T]

The OP is heavily flawed due to the reality that religion is deeply rooted in superstition.

Its actually originally rooted in nature, the supernatural-natural thingie is an accedemic intellectual phenomena and really more modern.. There is no such thing literally as super naturalism like there is no such thing there is naturalism. The duality is a fantasy..

 

[David T]

The sum of all energy is 0 so we live in a flat universe.

Superstition

 

[suncowiam]

Superstition

Here, take a beginner's primer into a flat universe from Cornell university.

How can the universe be "flat"? We're 3D! (Beginner) - Curious About Astronomy? Ask an Astronomer

 

[David T]

Here, take a beginner's primer into a flat universe from Cornell university.

How can the universe be "flat"? We're 3D! (Beginner) - Curious About Astronomy? Ask an Astronomer

oh goodie my computer models are real women. That's so hot dude!!!!!> I always thought they were mathmatical flat surfaces but they are living real breathing beings!!!!> I am in love and no you can't have her go make your own.

 

[suncowiam]

oh goodie my computer models are real women. That's so hot dude!!!!!> I always thought they were mathmatical flat surfaces but they are living real breathing beings!!!!> I am in love and no you can't have her go make your own. View attachment 15702 View attachment 15700

It's OK to say you have no idea what I'm suggesting or what the article says. No need to make things up as a response.

 

[omega2xx]

The sum of all energy is 0 so we live in a flat universe.

Source

 

[suncowiam]

Source

You're asking for source after your own claims of creationism? LOL. What a double standard we weave.

How about a YouTube video from the one and only Neil Degrasse Tyson, whom, I'm sure many religious folks hold with such high esteem.

Enjoy

 

[omega2xx]

You're asking for source after your own claims of creationism? LOL. What a double standard we weave.

How about a YouTube video from the one and only Neil Degrasse Tyson, whom, I'm sure many religious folks hold with such high esteem.

Enjoy

Never heard of him and if no source, not continuance. Sorry.

 

[suncowiam]

Never heard of him and if no source, not continuance. Sorry.

What are you talking about? That YouTube Link makes it easy as algebra to understand the concept of a flat universe. Here is a wiki of Tyson's background.

Neil deGrasse Tyson - Wikipedia

There are plenty of other sources including wikipedia.

the universe is flat - Google Search

I'm starting to think you're just blowing smoke with all these source requests. Why don't you actually just view the video or read any of the multitude of sources available. Then get back to me with an actual opinion on the subject of a flat universe.

 

[omega2xx]

What are you talking about? That YouTube Link makes it easy as algebra to understand the concept of a flat universe. Here is a wiki of Tyson's background.

Neil deGrasse Tyson - Wikipedia

There are plenty of other sources including wikipedia.

the universe is flat - Google Search

I'm starting to think you're just blowing smoke with all these source requests. Why don't you actually just view the video or read any of the multitude of sources available. Then get back to me with an actual opinion on the subject of a flat universe.

You can think what you like. Over the years I have read links and all they ever have is opinions, almost never no evidence, so I have decided they are a waste of time.

Since we cannot see the entire universe, IMO they can't say it is flat.

Just to make my point I am going to check that video and before I do,I will say, they will not present any real scientific data to support their opinion. I will get back to you soon. Fair enough?

Just as i said, no real scientific evidence. He mentioned increasing the orbit of a planet as doing certain things, but man can't increase the the orbit of a planet to see if that really happened. Also it can be duplicated on earth by an experiment with a flashlight.

What really made his illustration absurd is when he said, this proves something can be made out of nothing. Anyone who believes that is living in a scientific lala land.

That video should have begun with "once upon a time." and ended with "and they live happily ever after,"

 

[omega2xx]

What about penance for sin?

The Bible does not mention penance for sin. Sins are forgiven for our confession of them---I Jn 1:9. Also read Psa 103:10-14.

 

[Willamena]

The Bible does not mention penance for sin. Sins are forgiven for our confession of them---I Jn 1:9. Also read Psa 103:10-14.

Fair enough, but Christianity practices it.

 

[David T]

It's OK to say you have no idea what I'm suggesting or what the article says. No need to make things up as a response.

I totally understand the article it's fantasy or superstition to think that computational modeling is a thing more than that. Its called cargo cult science
Feynman was right it's just a lot more relevant in the scientific fields than we admit to. There is a huge difference between math applied and math is reality it's not.

 

[suncowiam]

You can think what you like. Over the years I have read links and all they ever have is opinions, almost never no evidence, so I have decided they are a waste of time.

Since we cannot see the entire universe, IMO they can't say it is flat.

Just to make my point I am going to check that video and before I do,I will say, they will not present any real scientific data to support their opinion. I will get back to you soon. Fair enough?

Just as i said, no real scientific evidence. He mentioned increasing the orbit of a planet as doing certain things, but man can't increase the the orbit of a planet to see if that really happened. Also it can be duplicated on earth by an experiment with a flashlight.

What really made his illustration absurd is when he said, this proves something can be made out of nothing. Anyone who believes that is living in a scientific lala land.

That video should have begun with "once upon a time." and ended with "and they live happily ever after,"

Again double standards...

I actually do appreciate your skepticism and strict adherence to "scientific evidence.". I won't argue with you further as you're making what I amount to fair requirements. Now, the question begs... Why don't you require the same evidence with religion like the idea of creationism?

Let me turn the discussion around and ask for a source and "scientific evidence" for the idea that all creation was created by a creator?

 

[McBell]

Let me turn the discussion around and ask for a source and "scientific evidence" for the idea that all creation was created by a creator?

First he will need to show the universe was created.
Something we all know he cannot do.
Thus his whole position is nothing but his opinion.

 

[omega2xx]

Again double standards...

I actually do appreciate your skepticism and strict adherence to "scientific evidence.". I won't argue with you further as you're making what I amount to fair requirements. Now, the question begs... Why don't you require the same evidence with religion like the idea of creationism?

Let me turn the discussion around and ask for a source and "scientific evidence" for the idea that all creation was created by a creator?

You answer this first. I have answered that question dozens of times.

Tell me what determines the characteristic the offspring will get. If you don't answer that specifically, have a nice day.

If you want to use a link, cut and paste what they offered as evidence. I have quite checking links.

 

[suncowiam]

You answer this first. I have answered that question dozens of times.

Tell me what determines the characteristic the offspring will get. If you don't answer that specifically, have a nice day.

If you want to use a link, cut and paste what they offered as evidence. I have quite checking links.

DNA? And now you want me to be more specific right as if that's going to settle this...

It's OK to admit that you have double standards. Don't worry about it.

Been here, done that...

 

[omega2xx]

DNA? And now you want me to be more specific right as if that's going to settle this...

It's OK to admit that you have double standards. Don't worry about it.

Been here, done that...

Guess again. Next time post the evidence.

If you can be specific it will end this. Real science is not a guessing game.

 

[suncowiam]

Guess again. Next time post the evidence.

If you can be specific it will end this. Real science is not a guessing game.

I swear I'm being trolled. But here:

DNA - Wikipedia

Frankly, I'm done. You can declare whatever you like here. I'm not continuing this...

 

[omega2xx]

I swear I'm being trolled. But here:

DNA - Wikipedia

Frankly, I'm done. You can declare whatever you like here. I'm not continuing this...

Good choice when you can't provide any evidence for your faith.