In my religion it is believed that we all hold an eternal and unique relationship with the Divine.
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Religion without faith
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In my religion it is believed that we all hold an eternal and unique relationship with the Divine.
dyanaprajna2011
Dharmapala
What are you calling an axiom?
Herman Tripleton
Member
Then you realize that revelation cannot be shared.
One cannot pass on a Realisation to another person. It takes actual experience to gain such Realisation, not hearing it from others. But how does this link to your argument?
Herman Tripleton
Member
Mine? it does not. You went off on a tangent about illusion and I am just trying to explain that you are wrong
SLAMH
Active Member
I don't believe in them, but I have to be able to refute them. Ignoring and saying just it is not true because it is not true is like when atheist say that God doesn't exist because it can't be observed.
I have to be able to prove them wrong so I assure I'm on the right way. Then my truth turns to be objective and everyone can see it.
And my question is basically asking how does your comment in any way explain that I am wrong?
Herman Tripleton
Member
That all things are created and no thing can create itself is an accepted axiom in every accredited scientific community. It is in fact, the basis of all science.
It is the premise that lets us begin with experimentation.
dyanaprajna2011
Dharmapala
I might be able to agree with that, but first, a question. What do you mean by "created"? And how?
SLAMH
Active Member
This explains alot. Thank you.
Herman Tripleton
Member
You stated that a theist has an illusionary faith not knowledge of their religion. This is wrong. Had you said a Christian or a Jew or used some other term, fine, I could see your point. But you went with a contradiction of theist. A subtle difference, true, but vastly important.
A theist has experienced revelation and has moved beyond the faith of a mere christian or buddhist or muslim or jew etc etc
Herman Tripleton
Member
Well, unless you can produce a thing that was not created you cannot refute it.
Ok, so you are attaching a specific definition to the term 'theist'. That's fine, but you need to make this clear in your arguments. Generally, 'theist' or 'theism' is attached to any person who has belief or faith in a god or gods. Believe and faith are not knowledge. When there is knowledge, belief or faith is no longer relevant. That is my argument.
Herman Tripleton
Member
There are myriad ways in which particular things are created, whether it is the action of the waves creating sand or the sperm seeking out an egg creating animals, it is all the same, one or more things creating a new thing from old things. Every thing.
Herman Tripleton
Member
I suppose it could be considered specific. I have held it for so long it seems normal. I have never met faith based person that identified themselves as anything other than an affiliate of that faith and no self-defined theist that I have met has ever attached themselves to a specific faith.
SLAMH
Active Member
What does this suppose to mean ???
Herman Tripleton
Member
You said you needed negative proof to move forward on your way.
SLAMH
Active Member
Herman Tripleton
Member
how do you define creating things? I can frame my definition better if I know yours first.