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Religions Vs. Cults. Is there a solid difference?

gsa

Well-Known Member
I dunno... was Heaven's Gate a religion? I mean, I really don't know though I don't think so.

I would say so, yes. They believed in reincarnation, that they were the two witnesses described in the Book of Revelations, that Jesus had been reincarnated as a Texan, etc. So they were definitely unorthodox, but they held beliefs that we would have no problem describing as religious in most contexts.
 

Theweirdtophat

Well-Known Member
I dunno... was Heaven's Gate a religion? I mean, I really don't know though I don't think so.

In a way, it had religious ideas and they had their rules and so forth, but generally cults are smaller and usually more dangerous. They usually don't like outsiders or anyone leaving the order either.
 

McDoogins

Member
If Creflo Dollar doesn't lead a cult I don't know who does.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Creflo_Dollar


Dollar is known for his controversial teachings regarding prosperity theology, or the gospel of wealth.[13] He has long been criticized for living a lavish lifestyle; he owns two Rolls-Royces, a private jet, and real estate such as a million-dollar home in Atlanta, a $2.5 million home in Demarest, New Jersey, and a $2.5 million home in Manhattan,[13] which he sold for $3.75 million in 2012.[14] Dollar has refused to disclose his salary. Creflo Dollar Ministries received a grade of "F" (failing) for financial transparency by the organization Ministry Watch.[13][15]

On November 6, 2007, United States Senator Chuck Grassley of Iowa, as Chairman of the Senate Finance Committee, began an investigation of several ministries, including Dollar's. Grassley asked for financial information to determine whether Dollar made any personal profit from financial donations and requested that Dollar's ministry make the information available by December 6, 2007. The investigation also asked for information from five other televangelists: Benny Hinn, Kenneth Copeland, Eddie L. Long, Joyce Meyer, and Paula White.[16] Dollar contested the probe, arguing that the proper governmental entity to examine religious groups is the IRS, not the Committee on Finance.[17]

On November 24, 2014, Dollar's private Gulfstream III jet, N103CD ran off the runway at Biggin Hill Airport, United Kingdom.[18] There were no serious injuries.[19] To replace the old jet, Dollar launched a fundraising campaign to get his followers to pay approximately $60,000,000 for a new Gulfstream G650 jet. He suggested his followers each commit to giving "$300 or more." The jet he wants is the "fastest plane ever built in civilian aviation."[20][21][22] After receiving immediate backlash, Dollar ended his fundraising campaign. The project was kept as an option on the donation page of ministry's website.[23] Several months later, the board of World Changers Church International announced that they were ready to acquire a Gulfstream G650.
 

jojom

Active Member
If Creflo Dollar doesn't lead a cult I don't know who does.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Creflo_Dollar

I don't know much about the guy or his theology, but I do know he's a very successful, charismatic, Christian evangelist who's put a twist on the Christian message that appeals to a lot of folk, and is raking in the money. Should this qualify his Christian ministry as a cult? I don't think so. I don't see it as much different than the variety of other denominations and individual churches that consider themselves Christian. In fact, Christianity is so filled with theologies and practices that stand in contrast to each other that other than their common assertion that one must take Jesus as their savior, there isn't much else one can point to as defining the word.


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McDoogins

Member
I don't know much about the guy or his theology, but I do know he's a very successful, charismatic, Christian evangelist who's put a twist on the Christian message that appeals to a lot of folk, and is raking in the money. Should this qualify his Christian ministry as a cult? I don't think so. I don't see it as much different than the variety of other denominations and individual churches that consider themselves Christian. In fact, Christianity is so filled with theologies and practices that stand in contrast to each other that other than their common assertion that one must take Jesus as their savior, there isn't much else one can point to as defining the word.


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Right, every sect it's own cult. Haha
 

Cephus

Relentlessly Rational
In a way, it had religious ideas and they had their rules and so forth, but generally cults are smaller and usually more dangerous. They usually don't like outsiders or anyone leaving the order either.

Which pretty much describes most religions. Most of them don't like heretics in their midst and they don't like it if people leave their church. Some actively practice shunning those who leave. Things still apply, even if there is no force involved, leaving a church is cause for concern and the members often actively try to get back members who have fallen away.
 

Riverwolf

Amateur Rambler / Proud Ergi
Premium Member
As I think about it, I kinda think that "cult" could sort of be thought of as the "counter-culture/avant-guarde" form of the more "mainstream" religion. The latter is in reference to an accepted cultural status quo, while the former refers to something which challenges that quo.

And since the US has a lot of cognitive dissonance with status quo (seeking to change it all the time, except when that change might illustrate our own problems), cult has come to refer to dangerous groups in particular, rather than just counter-culture-type religions in general.
 
What I consider a "Cult" Is:

An ideological group that tries to make members conform to it's ideals by: Targeting young children, targeting the emotionally weakened, making members reliant on the cult, trying to prevent members from getting evidence to the contrary, and spreading misinformation about groups the ideology is in opposition to in order to prevent said groups from inserting a dissenting opinion to cult members.

How many of you agree that is a good definition?
 

psychoslice

Veteran Member
I believe most religions are cults, they have taken certain beliefs from other belief systems and cultured their own religion built on those beliefs, as with Christianity.
 
I believe most religions are cults, they have taken certain beliefs from other belief systems and cultured their own religion built on those beliefs, as with Christianity.

I believe that most Abrahamic Religions are cults. I believe that many of the teachings of such religions from their holy books is cultish and some of their actions are, however many modern interpretations of those religions no longer practice many of their activities.

Most Dharmic, Secular, Pagan, and New Age Religions do not have the activities I listed above as to what I consider cultish.
 

Thana

Lady
From Wikipedia.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cult

In the sociological classifications of religious movements in English, a cult is a religious or social group with socially deviant or novel beliefs and practices.[1] However, whether any particular group's beliefs and practices are sufficiently deviant or novel is often unclear, thus making a precise definition problematic.[2][3] In the English speaking world, the word often carries derogatory connotations, but in other European languages, it is used as English-speakers use the word, "religion," sometimes causing confusion for English-speakers reading material translated from other languages.[4][5] The word "cult" has always been controversial because it is (in a pejorative sense) considered a subjective term, used as an ad hominem attack against groups with differing doctrines or practices, which lacks a clear or consistent definition.[6][7]

Beginning in the 1930s, cults became the object of sociological study in the context of the study of religious behavior.[8] Certain groups have been labelled as cults and have been opposed by the Christian countercult movement for their unorthodox beliefs. Since the 1970s, some groups have been opposed by the anti-cult movement, partly motivated in reaction to acts of violence committed by members of some groups. Some of the claims by the anti-cult movement have been disputed by other scholars and by the news media, leading to further controversy. Public and governmental reactions to the cult issue have also been a source of controversy.

A religion is an organized collection of beliefs, cultural systems, and world views that relate humanity to an order of existence.[note 1] Many religions have narratives, symbols, and sacred histories that aim to explain the meaning of life, the origin of life, or the Universe. From their beliefs about the cosmos and human nature, people may derive morality, ethics, religious laws or a preferred lifestyle.

Many religions may have organized behaviors, clergy, a definition of what constitutes adherence or membership, holy places, and scriptures. The practice of a religion may include rituals, sermons, commemoration or veneration (of a deity, gods, or goddesses), sacrifices, festivals, feasts, trances, initiations, funerary services, matrimonial services, meditation, prayer, music, art, dance, public service, or other aspects of human culture. Religions may also contain mythology.[1]

The word religion is sometimes used interchangeably with faith or set of duties;[2] however, in the words of Émile Durkheim, religion differs from private belief in that it is "something eminently social".[3] A global 2012 poll reports 59% of the world's population as "religious" and 23% as not religious, including 13% who are atheists, with a 9% decrease in religious belief from 2005.[4] However, their 2015 poll found that only 22% of the world population is not religious and only 11% were "convinced atheists".[5] On average, women are "more religious" than men.[6] Some people follow multiple religions or multiple religious principles at the same time, regardless of whether or not the religious principles they follow traditionally allow for syncretism.[7][8][9]


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion

From what I gather cults are just less popular religions.

Well if it makes you feel better to call religions cults then by all means.
Whatever floats your boat.

Truth is that the word cult carries some pretty negative connotations with it, So unless you're willing to embrace that then I find it disingenuous to assert that religions and cults are interchangeable.
 

Unification

Well-Known Member
From Wikipedia.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cult

In the sociological classifications of religious movements in English, a cult is a religious or social group with socially deviant or novel beliefs and practices.[1] However, whether any particular group's beliefs and practices are sufficiently deviant or novel is often unclear, thus making a precise definition problematic.[2][3] In the English speaking world, the word often carries derogatory connotations, but in other European languages, it is used as English-speakers use the word, "religion," sometimes causing confusion for English-speakers reading material translated from other languages.[4][5] The word "cult" has always been controversial because it is (in a pejorative sense) considered a subjective term, used as an ad hominem attack against groups with differing doctrines or practices, which lacks a clear or consistent definition.[6][7]

Beginning in the 1930s, cults became the object of sociological study in the context of the study of religious behavior.[8] Certain groups have been labelled as cults and have been opposed by the Christian countercult movement for their unorthodox beliefs. Since the 1970s, some groups have been opposed by the anti-cult movement, partly motivated in reaction to acts of violence committed by members of some groups. Some of the claims by the anti-cult movement have been disputed by other scholars and by the news media, leading to further controversy. Public and governmental reactions to the cult issue have also been a source of controversy.

A religion is an organized collection of beliefs, cultural systems, and world views that relate humanity to an order of existence.[note 1] Many religions have narratives, symbols, and sacred histories that aim to explain the meaning of life, the origin of life, or the Universe. From their beliefs about the cosmos and human nature, people may derive morality, ethics, religious laws or a preferred lifestyle.

Many religions may have organized behaviors, clergy, a definition of what constitutes adherence or membership, holy places, and scriptures. The practice of a religion may include rituals, sermons, commemoration or veneration (of a deity, gods, or goddesses), sacrifices, festivals, feasts, trances, initiations, funerary services, matrimonial services, meditation, prayer, music, art, dance, public service, or other aspects of human culture. Religions may also contain mythology.[1]

The word religion is sometimes used interchangeably with faith or set of duties;[2] however, in the words of Émile Durkheim, religion differs from private belief in that it is "something eminently social".[3] A global 2012 poll reports 59% of the world's population as "religious" and 23% as not religious, including 13% who are atheists, with a 9% decrease in religious belief from 2005.[4] However, their 2015 poll found that only 22% of the world population is not religious and only 11% were "convinced atheists".[5] On average, women are "more religious" than men.[6] Some people follow multiple religions or multiple religious principles at the same time, regardless of whether or not the religious principles they follow traditionally allow for syncretism.[7][8][9]


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion

From what I gather cults are just less popular religions.

For most of them, one and the same.. Depends on how acceptable and how deceiving as many have said. If their own deity's walked into their building, they would label their own deity's a heretic.
 

LegionOnomaMoi

Veteran Member
Premium Member
For a scholar of antiquity, classics, Near Eastern studies, and other fields which concern research of ancient cultures, there isn't anything really similar between "cult" as they use the term and "cult" as colloquially used. For sociologists, evolutionary psychologists, cognitive scientists, and others who study religiosity the difference between cult and religion is somewhat vague. Cults tend to be characterized not merely by size of membership but by radically abnormal/non-normative beliefs and particular social structures. Thus religious groups that annually celebrate Christ's crucifixion by nailing practitioners to a cross are members of a "religion", while a group in California who awaits the Mayan apocalypse whilst working and living in mainstream society is categorized as a cult.
 

Theweirdtophat

Well-Known Member
Which pretty much describes most religions. Most of them don't like heretics in their midst and they don't like it if people leave their church. Some actively practice shunning those who leave. Things still apply, even if there is no force involved, leaving a church is cause for concern and the members often actively try to get back members who have fallen away.

Um...no. Most religions aren't cult-like. There will be some who will frown upon those that leave but not all shun those who do. JW are an example I know of in the Christian community, but as far as religions go when you consider Pagan Abrahamic, Dharmic and Oriental faiths, most of them don't act like cults. Cults are smaller organizations for one thing and usually use things such as brainwashing and are usually much harsher to those who leave the order, such as actually hurting them, not just shunning them.
 

Akivah

Well-Known Member
There is not a "solid" difference. Just how there isn't a solid difference between a pond or lake. Both are similar and if looked at under a microscope they are identical. The issue between the two is that one is seen by the public as a legitimate religion while the other is just crazy talk. I find it funny how similar the messages can be between the "word of god" and 'crazy talk".

No more funny than how similar a scam can be to a legitimate business. They use the same words and appearances, so that many people are fooled by illegitimate businesses.
 

Goblin

Sorcerer
the difference between religion and cult. is like someone saying either "African" or "N*gg*r"

its the connotation one is derogatory the other is respectful
 
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