religiosity and/or strength of religious belief is associated with less intelligence

[Jollybear]

You really need to learn a little bit about how the human brain works. Our brains make such mistakes all the time, without our being aware of it. "After images" are a real, documented phenomenon. But you'd rather eschew such well known phenomenon in favour of what you want to believe instead. It's not rational. It's the opposite, in fact.

Did you not read my sleep paralysis story? You have yet to respond to it and I'm wondering why.

No, the after images i already refutted it.

Also, no i have not read your sleep paralysis story, due to too many posts and time.

 

[Jollybear]

That's a questionable assertion, given what you've said on this thread.
And that's not a definition.
Care to try again, seriously this time?

Google definition will do just fine.

based on or in accordance with reason or logic.
"I'm sure there's a perfectly rational explanation"
synonyms: logical, reasoned, well reasoned, sensible, reasonable, cogent, coherent, intelligent, wise, judicious, sagacious, astute, shrewd, perceptive, enlightened, clear-eyed, clear-sighted, commonsensical, common-sense, well advised, well grounded, sound, sober, prudent, circumspect, politic; More

 

[Revoltingest]

The OP states that atheists are more rational then religious people.

Its quite the opposite matter of FACT.

Oh, really?

 

[Jollybear]

Ill reply to polymath tomorow. Save the best for later.

By the way, eco and skeptic, polymath snd charlie are both more rational then you two. Just to let you know.

 

[Jollybear]

Oh, really?

Thats the gist of it.

 

[Revoltingest]

Thats the gist of it.

Well, I guess that I need to pick out some gods to believe are real so that I can be rational too.
But which ones?
Perhaps the old Norse gods....they seem attractive.
Yes....I believe in them.
They're real...they have the inerrant truth, & all other religions are false.
Whew.....what a relief!
Now I'm rational.

Spoiler: For Jellybear

It's your fault that I went there.

 

[Jollybear]

Well, I guess that I need to pick out some gods to believe are real so that I can be rational too.
But which ones?
Perhaps the old Norse gods....they seem attractive.
Yes....I believe in them.
They're real...they have the inerrant truth, & all other religions are false.
Whew.....what a relief!
Now I'm rational.

Spoiler: For Jellybear

It's your fault that I went there.

Its not about the names of Gods or God. Its about concepts and definitions and experiences.

Just believing or not believing is not rational.

Rationality goes beyond that.

 

[Revoltingest]

Its not about the names of Gods or God. Its about concepts and definitions and experiences.

Just believing or not believing is not rational.

Rationality goes beyond that.

According to post #537, I'm now more rational.
I picked not just names, but the concepts behind them.
As for experiences, I've yet to have any with those or any other gods.

 

[Jollybear]

According to post #537, I'm now more rational.
I picked not just names, but the concepts behind them.
As for experiences, I've yet to have any with those or any other gods.

Rationality is a form of reason and argument and logic. Logic can and does have assumptions that surround it.

Just believing or not, isnt using rationality.

Experiences are by the droves in the human race. That dont mean literally everyone has had experiences. But, just because you have not, does not mean others have not.

It also does not mean you cannot have an experience.

 

[Revoltingest]

Rationality is a form of reason and argument and logic. Logic can and does have assumptions that surround it.

Just believing or not, isnt using rationality.

Experiences are by the droves in the human race. That dont mean literally everyone has had experiences. But, just because you have not, does not mean others have not.

It also does not mean you cannot have an experience.

I'll stop picking on you for that post now.

 

[Jollybear]

I'll stop picking on you for that post now.

Your alright.

 

[SkepticThinker]

No, the after images i already refutted it.

All you said was basically, "Nope, it doesn't look like a man" which of course, isn't an actual refutation. After images are a well known, demonstrable phenomenon. You want to act like they aren't, and instead go with your unsubstantiated belief. And you're wondering why people take issue with that?

You do realize our brains are wired to seek out patterns, right? Hence the reason we often see faces in the clouds or in the shadows in the dark.

Also, no i have not read your sleep paralysis story, due to too many posts and time.

I wish you had, as it perfectly illustrates what I’m talking about.

Strange how you responded to that post, just not that particular part of it, which to me, was the most relevant part.

This is my sleep paralysis story:

I used to try to have quick, late afternoon naps, just to recharge a bit. Often though, when I would try to awaken from these naps, I was in that place where you know you’re sleeping but can’t quite wake yourself up. I’d struggle to find my way to consciousness, making my way through my dream. Then, when I’d get close, I’d hear this loud “whooshing” type of noise and I would feel like I was falling through some kind of air tunnel, and sometimes there would be huge flashing lights swirling around as well. I’d have to go through that for a couple of seconds until I could finally open my eyes and look around, and slowly start moving again. Sometimes, I would sense something sinister in the room with me, but could never quite see anything. It was a frightening experience to me.

My very first thought in trying to figure out what was going on, was that if anyone else had experienced something like this, I could see why they would think they had been abducted by aliens, because it definitely had that feel to it. My mother (who believes we can leave our bodies) suggested I was experiencing OBEs, which seemed to make sense too, given that one of the times, I had felt like I was trying to crawl into my own body.

When I finally got on the internet and started doing some research, I discovered that what I was experiencing was something rather mundane called “sleep paralysis” that many other people also experience. Turns out, I was just waking up while in the middle of REM sleep, so that my brain was awake, but hadn’t had enough time to turn the muscles in my body back on yet . Hence the reason I could never move. I even went on to participate in a sleep paralysis study and thankfully, I do not suffer from this anymore.

Do you see what I mean now what I talk about how people can be mistaken in attributing causes to their experiences, without actually lying about it? Human beings do this all the time, because we want answers, and we’ll take what is available at the time.

 

[SkepticThinker]

Google definition will do just fine.

based on or in accordance with reason or logic.
"I'm sure there's a perfectly rational explanation"
synonyms: logical, reasoned, well reasoned, sensible, reasonable, cogent, coherent, intelligent, wise, judicious, sagacious, astute, shrewd, perceptive, enlightened, clear-eyed, clear-sighted, commonsensical, common-sense, well advised, well grounded, sound, sober, prudent, circumspect, politic; More

Great, thanks. So please explain how it is that you think you are exercising reason and/or logic, and the rest of us are not.

 

[SkepticThinker]

Ill reply to polymath tomorow. Save the best for later.

By the way, eco and skeptic, polymath snd charlie are both more rational then you two. Just to let you know.

That's funny because we're all saying the same things.

 

[ecco]

I told you, I MISTOOK the order. I re asked my mom, she told me the order. The male figure appeared before the lightning. Plus the niece did not see the lightning.

I'm bored. I'll await your next latest and greatest revision.

Perhaps, in the future, you get the story straight before posting it.

 

[ecco]

No, im not insulting you, im telling you the truth. Your not rational. Simple.

Why do you keep referring to my "not".

 

[Neutral Name]

In most cases, I would say that people who are less intelligent are more likely to be followers. That is, they will listen to other people and believe what they are told because they cannot think for themselves. They do not have analytical abilities. However, I am a strong believer, a monotheist, who could not believe any religion of man. I am also extremely intelligent, very analytical and creative. I have considered most religions and have not found any which are completely logical. I do, however, know that there is a higher power because I interact with it constantly.

 

[loverofhumanity]

The general scientific consensus(1) shows religiosity and the strength of religious belief is associated with less IQ. The procedure and and materials needed for these studies seem fairly simple to perform. Gather a bunch of people, have them do an IQ test, or similar, and then ask how religious they are or the intensity of their belief. Consistently, participants that score higher on the religious scale will rank lower in IQ. However, it's not just limited to IQ; more recent research demonstrates less analytic cognition and less scientific and mathematical knowledge. So, as an example for this topic, Kanazawa(2) performed a study with 15,197 Americans. He found, on a 1-4 scale(1 = not religious, 4 = very religious) that IQ decreased, on average 6 points, per scale.

This question is for theists, but atheists may respond.
Why do you think religiosity and/or strength of religious belief negatively correlates with IQ?


References

(1) http://emilkirkegaard.dk/en/wp-cont...a-Analysis-and-Some-Proposed-Explanations.pdf

(2) http://personal.lse.ac.uk/kanazawa/pdfs/spq2010.pdf

Just another religion bashing thread with no substance whatsoever.

 

[loverofhumanity]

This thread should be called out for what it really is, the tread of condescension.

 

[Ellen Brown]

In most cases, I would say that people who are less intelligent are more likely to be followers. That is, they will listen to other people and believe what they are told because they cannot think for themselves. They do not have analytical abilities. However, I am a strong believer, a monotheist, who could not believe any religion of man. I am also extremely intelligent, very analytical and creative. I have considered most religions and have not found any which are completely logical. I do, however, know that there is a higher power because I interact with it constantly.

A bit egocentric aren't we?