Religious Affiliation & Side Taken Regarding Israel

[Revoltingest]

Are you defending Hamas? Hamas is fundamentalism, it's terrorism.
They are not civilians.
Fundamentalism doesn't want the peace with infidels (us).
They just want that us Europeans commit a mass suicide, that is we eliminate ourselves, so they can islamize Europe in peace.

You have too much certainty in your opinions
about how the enemy cannot be reasonable.
And so you justify what Israel does, eg, murder,
destruction, disapora, & endless oppression.
I hear this too much from Christians & Jews.
War lust has blinded them to peaceful paths.

 

[Estro Felino]

You have too much certainty in your opinions
about how the enemy cannot be reasonable.
And so you justify what Israel does, eg, murder,
destruction, disapora, & endless oppression.
I hear this too much from Christians & Jews.
War lust has blinded them to peaceful paths.

This conflict is not about land. It's about religion.

 

[Twilight Hue]

Are you defending Hamas? Hamas is fundamentalism, it's terrorism.
They are not civilians.
Fundamentalism doesn't want the peace with infidels (us).
They just want that us Europeans commit a mass suicide, that is we eliminate ourselves, so they can islamize Europe in peace.

You won't change the mind of antisemitic people. It's clear what Hamas has done and are trying to support their cause under guise that innocent Palestinians have nothing to do with it even knowing Hamas was elected to represent Palestine.

I do think Israel needs to be more surgical and aware in their response to help avoid unnecessary civilian casualties. Collateral damage dosent help with hearts and minds if that is even possible.

 

[RestlessSoul]

I see religion as fundamental, not a mere tool.
How it appears to me....
Christians value only Christians & Jews.
Jews value only Jews.
And both devalue Muslims.
This drives USA's & Israel's predation, conquest,
murder, oppression, & theft in the Middle East.

I see this as a reflection of your own tribal prejudice and Amero-centric myopia. Both Pope Francis and Justin Welby, Archbishop of Canterbury, have been unequivocally non-partisan advocates for peace.

 

[Twilight Hue]

This conflict is not about land. It's about religion.

You would think by now that people would start realizing that it never was about land, ergo Yasser Arafat. It was about the acquisition of holy sites and the complete obliteration of Israel in a very Old Testament way.

 

[Revoltingest]

This conflict is not about land. It's about religion.

But stealing land is still useful.

 

[Revoltingest]

I see this as a reflection of your own tribal prejudice and Amero-centric myopia.

"Amero-centric"?
Try reading more more posts.
I'm very much at odds with other Ameristanians
& the entire government here. Most are Christians
& Jews who favor what Israel is doing, & want
terrible victory in war over achieving peace thru
justice & reason.
As is typical of fervent zionists, you seek argumentum
ad hominem because you dare not address Israel's
war crimes & USA's complicity. Have you no shame?

 

[Estro Felino]

But stealing land is still useful.

You would think by now that people would start realizing that it never was about land, ergo Yasser Arafat. It was about the acquisition of holy sites and the complete obliteration of Israel in a very Old Testament way.

It's an old story...
Oriana Fallaci wrote about Arafat: "A nonentity, who in his megalomania believes he will go down in history as the George Washington of Palestine. An ungrammatical person that is not even able to conclude a complete sentence which has some meaning".

 

[Estro Felino]

But stealing land is still useful.

For example, Arafat said this: Yasser Arafat: "The womb of the woman will be our strongest weapon against the Zionists!"
inviting his countrymen to have sex from sunrise to sunset, hoping to make so many children, in order to outnumber Israelis.
Eros and Thanatos.

 

[Revoltingest]

It's an old story...
Oriana Fallaci wrote about Arafat: "A nonentity, who in his megalomania believes he will go down in history as the George Washington of Palestine. An ungrammatical person that is not even able to conclude a complete sentence which has some meaning".

The fervent zionist ignores reality, & will say
anything to demonize people on the other side.
They must be made evil & dehumanized so as
to justify oppression & genocide.

 

[Revoltingest]

For example, Arafat said this: Yasser Arafat: "The womb of the woman will be our strongest weapon against the Zionists!"
inviting his countrymen to have sex from sunrise to sunset, hoping to make so many children, in order to outnumber Israelis.

Well...sex and war....Eros and Thanatos. That's their philosophy.

You generalize without any attempt to understand.
You seek to justify war...a final solution to Hamas.
This will only lead to more retaliation & war.
And you call yourself a Christian.

 

[Estro Felino]

The fervent zionist ignores reality, & will say
anything to demonize people on the other side.
They must be made evil & dehumanized so as
to justify oppression & genocide.

Oriana was just an incredibly crass and outspoken journalist. Nothing more.

 

[RestlessSoul]

"Amero-centric"?
Try reading more more posts.
I'm very much at odds with other Ameristanians
& the entire government here. Most are Christians
& Jews who favor what Israel is doing, & want
terrible victory in war over achieving peace thru
justice & reason.
As is typical of fervent zionists, you seek argumentum
ad hominem because you dare not address Israel's
war crimes & USA's complicity. Have you no shame?

I think you’re a little confused. Away from America, political support for Israel does not translate to religious leaders showing support for the brutality of the IDF.

I gave the examples of the Pope and the Archbishop of Canterbury, both of whom have been as critical of Israel’s response as they were of Hamas’ terrorism. Do you think they are “fervent Zionists”? I’m confused by that comment.

 

[Estro Felino]

You generalize without any attempt to understand.
You seek to justify war...a final solution to Hamas.
This will only lead to more retaliation & war.
And you call yourself a Christian.

As I said, I just wish those two nations lives in peace. Period.
I hate war.

 

[Revoltingest]

I think you’re a little confused.

Confused posters often tell me that.

Away from America, political support for Israel does not translate to religious leaders showing support for the brutality of the IDF.

I gave the examples of the Pope and the Archbishop of Canterbury, both of whom have been as critical of Israel’s response as they were of Hamas’ terrorism. Do you think they are “fervent Zionists”? I’m confused by that comment.

There are of course examples of Christians & Jews
who oppose Israel's deadly rampage. This does
not change the massive Christian & Jewish support
for apartheid, war crimes, genocide, etc.

 

[Revoltingest]

I hate war.

Only because you want the attackers
to have an easier time at conquest,
killing, & destruction.

 

[InChrist]

But there is a how to getting to peace.
To favor the one engaging in over-kill, be
they Israel or Russia, is to not favor peace
at all....just victory over the vanquished.
You might even admit that Hamas wants
peace too...just not on your terms.

Does Hamas want peace? Are you being realistic and sincere? Hamas has clearly and repeatedly stated they do not accept the existence of Israel and continued jihad against Israel is their goal. What kind of peace are you thinking is possible?

 

[Revoltingest]

Does Hamas want peace?

I'm sure they do, but on terms unacceptable
to Israel & USA, ie, justice for Palestinians,
& reparations for those killed, robbed, &
driven away during & since Israel's founding.

Are you being realistic and sincere?

More so than you are. For you seek only to
continue the brutality that has failed for
decade after decade.

Hamas has clearly and repeatedly stated they do not accept the existence of Israel and continued jihad against Israel is there is the goal. What kind of peace are you thinking is possible?

Intransigence on the other side is best dealt
with by ending intransigence on one's own.
Note that Israel wants no country for Palestinians,
even as it kills, maims, robs, & evicts Palestinians.

 

[libre]

Even leaving aside for a moment whether religion or politics is the most proper lens to analyse the situation through, the fact remains that it is not possible to establish meaningful talks without the sincere willingness to do so from both sides.

I can hardly defend Israel's current actions, but I find a dearth of evidence that the Palestinians are any better - or have ever been since 1948 or so.

Would dearly love to be solidly convinced otherwise.

I expect more from the enlightened occupier than I do the wretched of the earth.

 

[Twilight Hue]

........Hamas has clearly and repeatedly stated they do not accept the existence of Israel and continued jihad against Israel is their goal. What kind of peace are you thinking is possible?

These people absolutely love war. They live and breathe war, and adore war and look toward their rewards from their God as they engage in war for their spiritual rewards and to have their names on the martyrs wall.