(Religious Freedom) Now a crime in VA to attend services?

[Dan From Smithville]

Just being truthful about what I have observed.

Good-Ole-Rebel

So you have observed that your behavior is not very Christian too? You should do something about that don't you think.

 

[Dan From Smithville]

It is necessary because it is a Spiritual activity. The Christian is a Spiritual person. The Holy Spirit is present in him and in other believers. The gathering of believers opens the door for the ministry of the Holy Spirit between believers which meets their spiritual needs. It feeds their spirit and addresses any spiritual problems they may be encountering through the various gifts of the Holy Spirit given to each believer.

God has always had unified times of worship for His people expressed in physical gatherings.

Where is it written that it is necessary? This is just your view as a contrarian. All that you say can happens to groups also happens with individuals.

Christ is with us where two or three are gathered together, but it does not say that we are left to our own if we are by ourselves.

Your reasoning is self-serving and silly.

Yes I am aware of that.

Good-Ole-Rebel

You don't sound like you are aware of it. Just being truthful friend, even though I know it can hurts some people to hear it.

 

[Good-Ole-Rebel]

Everyone who is gathering is working to spread the virus. It does not matter if you are Christian or not. That is the reason why most countries in Europe have already banned all gatherings.

I am going to the store to buy groceries because the alternative would be starvation, not because there is no risk of infection.

OK. If you see it that way, then you spread the virus your way and I'll spread it mine.

Good-Ole-Rebel

 

[Good-Ole-Rebel]

So you have observed that your behavior is not very Christian too? You should do something about that don't you think.

I don't need you to tell me 'what I have observed'. Nor do I need 'your advice' of any correcting.

Good-Ole-Rebel

 

[Good-Ole-Rebel]

Where is it written that it is necessary? This is just your view as a contrarian. All that you say can happens to groups also happens with individuals.

Christ is with us where two or three are gathered together, but it does not say that we are left to our own if we are by ourselves.

Your reasoning is self-serving and silly.

You don't sound like you are aware of it. Just being truthful friend, even though I know it can hurts some people to hear it.

You need to read through the thread. See post #(23) and (147).

No, it won't happen with just an individual. That is why the Body is called the Body. Each member has a different role and ministry.

Christ is always with the Christian. But the Christian is affected by the gathering of other Christians, or by not gathering.

My 'reasoning' serves the Body of Christ. Which you find 'silly'.

Go back and read my various posts if you don't think I am aware of it. Your comment is just your attempt to insult. I say attempt, as once you go back and read you will see how you spoke out of ignorance. For some reason, you think just because you came to a conclusion, that if I don't come to the same conclusion, I am not aware of it. Foolish.

Good-Ole-Rebel

 

[Tambourine]

OK. If you see it that way, then you spread the virus your way and I'll spread it mine.

Good-Ole-Rebel

This was a simple statement of fact, not my subjective opinion. The virus has been factually observed to affect believers and nonbelievers alike.

You may ignore or dismiss it, but that does not change the reality of the situation. The virus spreads by human contact. When you gather with other people, you are putting one another in danger of infection and risk spreading the virus.

 

[GoodbyeDave]

I see that three other US states have declared that churches should be open when all other assemblies are banned. I wonder if the moderators will delete a post that suggests that the more evangelicals get the virus, the better for the USA? The same thing is happening with ultra-orthodox Jews in New York and Israel — ignoring the news and getting the disease.
FL Gov. Overrides County Officials to Allow Church During Coronavirus Lockdown
Packed Weddings, Busy Funerals: Virus Slams Ultra-Orthodox Jews

 

[Shadow Wolf]

It would do good to go to lengths to mitigate its impact, rather than working to exacerbate its spread.

Obviously, many Christians clearly just cannot be buggered and bothered to think about how the consequences of their effect other people, not can they be burdened to consider that their actions may end up making someone else very ill, perhaps killing them. These Christians just cannot be bothered to knock off their selfishly destructive behaviors. "Love thy neighbor?" These aren't Satanist who are required to consider things like other people and consent when evaluating the ethics and morals of their actions.

 

[wandering peacefully]

You need to read through the thread. See post #(23) and (147).

No, it won't happen with just an individual. That is why the Body is called the Body. Each member has a different role and ministry.

Christ is always with the Christian. But the Christian is affected by the gathering of other Christians, or by not gathering.

My 'reasoning' serves the Body of Christ. Which you find 'silly'.

Go back and read my various posts if you don't think I am aware of it. Your comment is just your attempt to insult. I say attempt, as once you go back and read you will see how you spoke out of ignorance. For some reason, you think just because you came to a conclusion, that if I don't come to the same conclusion, I am not aware of it. Foolish.

Good-Ole-Rebel

I think it's fine if people are so insecure about their faith that they can't help themselves but to get together. As long as all other times of the days and weeks, they are self-isolating and not going anywhere else is public. Including hospitals if they do infect each other. Is that what you and other attendees do? Stay away from others in your towns? Most grocery stores now only allow a certain amount of people in at once and everyone stays 12 feet away from each other. I sure hope your group doesn't sicken others. It seems rather selfish attitude from you and them. Is that what Jesus taught? Abtw, I never believed you were a Christian from the posts I accidentally come across from you. You always seem like a person who tries to discredit Christians and purposely give them a bad name. What is your real belief system?

 

[Good-Ole-Rebel]

This was a simple statement of fact, not my subjective opinion. The virus has been factually observed to affect believers and nonbelievers alike.

You may ignore or dismiss it, but that does not change the reality of the situation. The virus spreads by human contact. When you gather with other people, you are putting one another in danger of infection and risk spreading the virus.

I understood what you said. So, as I said, you spread the virus your way, and I will spread it mine.

Good-Ole-Rebel

 

[Tambourine]

I understood what you said. So, as I said, you spread the virus your way, and I will spread it mine.

Good-Ole-Rebel

I don't understand that statement. Are you accusing me of spreading the virus?

 

[Good-Ole-Rebel]

I think it's fine if people are so insecure about their faith that they can't help themselves but to get together. As long as all other times of the days and weeks, they are self-isolating and not going anywhere else is public. Including hospitals if they do infect each other. Is that what you and other attendees do? Stay away from others in your towns? Most grocery stores now only allow a certain amount of people in at once and everyone stays 12 feet away from each other. I sure hope your group doesn't sicken others. It seems rather selfish attitude from you and them. Is that what Jesus taught? Abtw, I never believed you were a Christian from the posts I accidentally come across from you. You always seem like a person who tries to discredit Christians and purposely give them a bad name. What is your real belief system?

You don't have the....'guts'...to claim your 'belief system'. If you did you would wear it on your avatar. My faith is there for all to see. You don't believe it or like it. That is not a problem. I'm not here to please you.

In other words, before you go making accusations about another's belief system at least have the courage to declare yours.

Good-Ole-Rebel

 

[Good-Ole-Rebel]

I don't understand that statement. Are you accusing me of spreading the virus?

It is what you said. You go to the store where everyone else is going. Your'e contributing to the possible spread of the virus. Yet you and others complain of Christians going to Church.

As I said, spread the virus your way and I will spread it mine.

Good-Ole-Rebel

 

[Tambourine]

It is what you said. You go to the store where everyone else is going. Your'e contributing to the possible spread of the virus. Yet you and others complain of Christians going to Church.

As I said, spread the virus your way and I will spread it mine.

Good-Ole-Rebel

Are you going to church instead of buying groceries, or are you doing both?

If you are doing both, then you are spreading the virus "both ways".

Also, I am not "going where everyone else is going". I am covering mouth and hands, and trying to keep my distance to other people, and trying to minimize the times I am out and among people. This is necessary to minimize the chances of the virus spreading. Do you understand that?

 

[Good-Ole-Rebel]

Are you going to church instead of buying groceries, or are you doing both?

If you are doing both, then you are doing more to spread the virus than I am doing. Also, I am trying to minimize the times I am out and among people.

It's not a question of 'instead'.

No, that is not true. You are trying to minimize the times I am out and among people. I'm not telling you to go to Church.

Good-Ole-Rebel

 

[Tambourine]

It's not a question of 'instead'.

No, that is not true. You are trying to minimize the times I am out and among people. I'm not telling you to go to Church.

Good-Ole-Rebel

We both need to go buy groceries, lest we starve. But you also want to congregate in your church with many of your fellow believers.

You are clearly not trying to minimize the times you are out and about among people.

 

[Good-Ole-Rebel]

We both need to go buy groceries, lest we starve. But you also want to congregate in your church with many of your fellow believers.

You are clearly not trying to minimize the times you are out and about among people.

But we both don't need the Christian fellowship and worship. Which is what I said. You are trying to minimize the times I am out and among people. You want your 'need' met. You are willing to possibly spread the virus to meet your need. But if the Christian has another need, to hell with that.

Good-Ole-Rebel

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

But we both don't need the Christian fellowship and worship. Which is what I said. You are trying to minimize the times I am out and among people. You want your 'need' met. You are willing to possibly spread the virus to meet your need. But if the Christian has another need, to hell with that.

Good-Ole-Rebel

If you can show that you will starve and die by not going to church, then I will listen. If not then it is not a need, then it is a want. A want is something you want, but don't need. You need food, but you don't need Church.
That is the difference between a need and a want.

Mikkel

 

[columbus]

OK. If you see it that way, then you spread the virus your way and I'll spread it mine.

Good-Ole-Rebel

I just took a couple of church ladies through Walmart for necessities. We had face masks and were careful about distance. I had hand sanitizer for all. I was really rather bytchy about protocols.
I hope everything worked out all right, but I'll never know. If one gets sick, it might be because I wasn't careful enough.

You're partying with your Christian friends like some teenagers on spring break.

You and people like you are the problem.
Tom

 

[Good-Ole-Rebel]

If you can show that you will starve and die by not going to church, then I will listen. If not then it is not a need, then it is a want. A want is something you want, but don't need. You need food, but you don't need Church.
That is the difference between a need and a want.

Mikkel

I don't care if you listen or not. Because you are not Christian, you don't get to dictate the needs of a Christian.

Thus, separation of church/state.

Good-Ole-Rebel