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(Religious Freedom) Now a crime in VA to attend services?

Tambourine

Well-Known Member
Why do you keep saying 'larger groups'? There are more people at grocery stores and hardware stores than most churches.

Where did I 'equate' what you said?

Good-Ole-Rebel
If you feel I have misrepresented your argument, or are dissatisfied with my interpretation of your own words, then please feel free to clarify your earlier statement.

If that feels like too much effort, then I honestly don't see much of a point in continueing this conversation. I don't feel confident in advancing this conversation when you keep asking me to re-post your old messages simply to repeat your own words back at you.
 

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
I mean, sure, I've had my share debating fundamentalists of all kinds, but this is the first time I've seen a person be this overtly and unmistakeably hostile towards the idea of helping other people, even on the Internet.
Really? Ive met more than a few who are cold and calloused towards everything related to the non-believers, and they must take a back seat to the demands and wants of the Christian, typically because they believe it their right to be a jerk and pretend their actio s effect no one else.
 

Tambourine

Well-Known Member
Really? Ive met more than a few who are cold and calloused towards everything related to the non-believers, and they must take a back seat to the demands and wants of the Christian, typically because they believe it their right to be a jerk and pretend their actio s effect no one else.
Oh, I'm sure they are, but those I managed to engage in conversation weren't bold or callous enough to say so openly. Usually there was at least some level of rhetoric game involved to justify their behavior.
 

columbus

yawn <ignore> yawn
Oh, I'm sure they are, but those I managed to engage in conversation weren't bold or callous enough to say so openly. Usually there was at least some level of rhetoric game involved to justify their behavior.
But those aren't true Christians.

Christians, sorta. But not true Christians.

Just ask @Good-Ole-Rebel .
He'll tell you.
Tom
 

Dan From Smithville

The Flying Elvises, Utah Chapter
Staff member
Premium Member
I don't need you to tell me 'what I have observed'. Nor do I need 'your advice' of any correcting.

Good-Ole-Rebel
I am not telling you. I was noting that your admission about your behavior.

You need someone with sense to give you advice. As well me as another.
 

Dan From Smithville

The Flying Elvises, Utah Chapter
Staff member
Premium Member
You need to read through the thread. See post #(23) and (147).

No, it won't happen with just an individual. That is why the Body is called the Body. Each member has a different role and ministry.

Christ is always with the Christian. But the Christian is affected by the gathering of other Christians, or by not gathering.

My 'reasoning' serves the Body of Christ. Which you find 'silly'.

Go back and read my various posts if you don't think I am aware of it. Your comment is just your attempt to insult. I say attempt, as once you go back and read you will see how you spoke out of ignorance. For some reason, you think just because you came to a conclusion, that if I don't come to the same conclusion, I am not aware of it. Foolish.

Good-Ole-Rebel
I find your reasoning silly, but that is nothing new.

As opposed to your constantly insulting others. I have never met anyone that claimed to be at peace that was as angry and threatened as you sound.

I am not going to bother reading your posts a second time. Once was waste enough.

You have a good day. I'll pray for you.
 

Dan From Smithville

The Flying Elvises, Utah Chapter
Staff member
Premium Member
I don't care if you listen or not. Because you are not Christian, you don't get to dictate the needs of a Christian.

Thus, separation of church/state.

Good-Ole-Rebel
You have shown that you do not have a real grasp of separation of church and state, so you do not get to decide for others what it means.

How's that? Just like you. I can also do other impressions.
 

Good-Ole-Rebel

*banned*
Whoever says fool is in danger of hellfire (Matthew 5:22).

First of all, you are not my brother. Second of all, I didn't say fool, I said foolish. Third of all, you quote from the Sermon on the Mount which is the future laws of the Kingdom. This is not directed to the Church.

So again, your attempt to use the Bible against me means nothing to me, as you deny God and Christ.

Good-Ole-Rebel
 

Good-Ole-Rebel

*banned*
I find your reasoning silly, but that is nothing new.

As opposed to your constantly insulting others. I have never met anyone that claimed to be at peace that was as angry and threatened as you sound.

I am not going to bother reading your posts a second time. Once was waste enough.

You have a good day. I'll pray for you.

I don't think you read the ones I mentioned the first time. Which is why I said you need to read the whole thread, but especially the posts I mentioned.

Good-Ole-Rebel
 

Good-Ole-Rebel

*banned*
The second part is also true. You will die if you don't get food, but you will not die if you don't go church. That is the difference between need and want.

Regards
Mikkel

Did you get your food? Did you get your need met? How about toilet paper? Did you buy any of that? What else have you purchased since Corona which isn't 'food'?

What 'wants' have you tried to fulfill?

As I have said, the gathering together of Christians is necessary for Christians. You don't and can't understand it.

Good-Ole-Rebel
 

mikkel_the_dane

My own religion
Did you get your food? Did you get your need met? How about toilet paper? Did you buy any of that? What else have you purchased since Corona which isn't 'food'?

What 'wants' have you tried to fulfill?

As I have said, the gathering together of Christians is necessary for Christians. You don't and can't understand it.

Good-Ole-Rebel

Okay, general explanation of how a secular society with minority rights functions. This is not unique to USA, but it applies to the USA in regards to the 1st amendment.
First of the USA is not allowed to make a law based on religion. Second off the USA is not allowed to hinder religious exercise as religious exercise.
Now the trick is understand the bold part - nobody is allow e.g. to kill anybody in the name of an individual in the name of a world-view unless the law allows for the specific situation for all to do that.
Further in general terms in means that you are allowed to exercise your religion within the law.
Now, so are you allow to gather as Christians? Yes, if it is allowed to gather as such. The government can that restrict based on neutral rules. E.g. more human than 2 humans are not allowed to gather. Is that targeted against Christians? No, it is targeted against all citizens.

Okay, that was that. Now for what I do. I only go out to shop for food and other daily things I can get in a grocery store as part of when I buy food.
So that is what I do. I don't meet with other humans even in private settings and I only go out publicly to buy items at a grocery store.

So no, you are no being deny your right because you are a Christian. Your freedom to gather are being limited in accordance with the law, because you are a citizen under secular law.

Regards
Mikkel
 

Good-Ole-Rebel

*banned*
Okay, general explanation of how a secular society with minority rights functions. This is not unique to USA, but it applies to the USA in regards to the 1st amendment.
First of the USA is not allowed to make a law based on religion. Second off the USA is not allowed to hinder religious exercise as religious exercise.
Now the trick is understand the bold part - nobody is allow e.g. to kill anybody in the name of an individual in the name of a world-view unless the law allows for the specific situation for all to do that.
Further in general terms in means that you are allowed to exercise your religion within the law.
Now, so are you allow to gather as Christians? Yes, if it is allowed to gather as such. The government can that restrict based on neutral rules. E.g. more human than 2 humans are not allowed to gather. Is that targeted against Christians? No, it is targeted against all citizens.

Okay, that was that. Now for what I do. I only go out to shop for food and other daily things I can get in a grocery store as part of when I buy food.
So that is what I do. I don't meet with other humans even in private settings and I only go out publicly to buy items at a grocery store.

So no, you are no being deny your right because you are a Christian. Your freedom to gather are being limited in accordance with the law, because you are a citizen under secular law.

Regards
Mikkel

As I said before, I am not being denied anything. Texas governor has listed religious gatherings an essential in our society.

I have said that meeting is necessary for the Christian. And if the law limits our numbers, we can still meet in small groups. But if the law makes it illegal to meet at all, then every believer must make the decision whether or not to obey that law. (Acts 5:28-29)

Good-Ole-Rebel
 

mikkel_the_dane

My own religion
As I said before, I am not being denied anything. Texas governor has listed religious gatherings an essential in our society.

I have said that meeting is necessary for the Christian. And if the law limits our numbers, we can still meet in small groups. But if the law makes it illegal to meet at all, then every believer must make the decision whether or not to obey that law. (Acts 5:28-29)

Good-Ole-Rebel

Okay, you do as you do. But you have given any secular reason for why you are special. As for religion that is another matter.

Regards
Mikkel
 

Good-Ole-Rebel

*banned*
Okay, you do as you do. But you have given any secular reason for why you are special. As for religion that is another matter.

Regards
Mikkel

I never said the Christian is special. We are Christian.

Why is 'religion' another matter when that is what we have been discussing?

Good-Ole-Rebel
 
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