(Religious Freedom) Now a crime in VA to attend services?

[mikkel_the_dane]

I never said the Christian is special. We are Christian.

Why is 'religion' another matter when that is what we have been discussing?

Good-Ole-Rebel

Because to judge with religion is not the same as to judge under a secular frame work. It can be, but it generally is not. Secular is not anti-religion, but is a-religious.

Regards
Mikkel

 

[Good-Ole-Rebel]

Because to judge with religion is not the same as to judge under a secular frame work. It can be, but it generally is not. Secular is not anti-religion, but is a-religious.

Regards
Mikkel

Well, that is what I have been saying. The secular world doesn't see the need for Christians to meet. But it is a need. And the secular world doesn't and can't understand it.

When the secular moves into the area of religion, then the Christian can obey to a certain degree. But, as I showed you, there is a certain place where we must draw the line. And I see making our gatherings illegal would be one of them.

Good-Ole-Rebel

 

[Dan From Smithville]

Did you get your food? Did you get your need met? How about toilet paper? Did you buy any of that? What else have you purchased since Corona which isn't 'food'?

What 'wants' have you tried to fulfill?

As I have said, the gathering together of Christians is necessary for Christians. You don't and can't understand it.

Good-Ole-Rebel

I do understand. It isn't necessary under the conditions of a rapidly spreading and deadly communicable disease.

Are you equating Christianity with toilet paper?

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

Well, that is what I have been saying. The secular world doesn't see the need for Christians to meet. But it is a need. And the secular world doesn't and can't understand it.

When the secular moves into the area of religion, then the Christian can obey to a certain degree. But, as I showed you, there is a certain place where we must draw the line. And I see making our gatherings illegal would be one of them.

Good-Ole-Rebel

I get you. The problem is that the moment you go outside a secular set with minority rights and claim rights outside that anything goes. That is how religious rights as religious work.

Regards
Mikkel

 

[Good-Ole-Rebel]

I get you. The problem is that the moment you go outside a secular set with minority rights and claim rights outside that anything goes. That is how religious rights as religious work.

Regards
Mikkel

I am not claiming any minority rights. Why have you been bringing this up? Christianity was the founding of America. The idea of the separation of church/state is a Christian one. We didn't want the state dictating what we do.

Good-Ole-Rebel

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

I am not claiming any minority rights. Why have you been bringing this up? Christianity was the founding of America. The idea of the separation of church/state is a Christian one. We didn't want the state dictating what we do.

Good-Ole-Rebel

Religion is a minority right in a secular state and doesn't just include Christianity and no, the USA wasn't only founded based on Christianity.
BTW do you know how the idea of a secular society was born in Europe?

Regards
Mikkel

 

[Good-Ole-Rebel]

Religion is a minority right in a secular state and doesn't just include Christianity and no, the USA wasn't only founded based on Christianity.
BTW do you know how the idea of a secular society was born in Europe?

Regards
Mikkel

America was founded on Christianity. That is why since it has become atheistic and secularized that they must remove any Christian symbols or practices found in it's proceedings.

The reason for the division of church/state was to keep the state out of the Churches business. It wasn't to open the door to atheist, pagans, muslims, etc. etc.

But, we are getting far afield of the topic. If you want to discuss the founding of America,whether or not it was Christian, then start another topic. I will be glad to participate.

Good-Ole-Rebel

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

America was founded on Christianity. That is why since it has become atheistic and secularized that they must remove any Christian symbols or practices found in it's proceedings.

The reason for the division of church/state was to keep the state out of the Churches business. It wasn't to open the door to atheist, pagans, muslims, etc. etc.

But, we are getting far afield of the topic. If you want to discuss the founding of America,whether or not it was Christian, then start another topic. I will be glad to participate.

Good-Ole-Rebel

Okay.

 

[Milton Platt]

In many states, gathering has been restricted to under 50 ppl because of that virus. However, two news articles have made it to the surface.
The first is that in California, they are apparently turning off power and running water to people who don't close their businesses. What about people whose business is their home? You know, people who run a restaurant and live upstairs?
The second is more relevant to religious freedom. You see, in Virginia, that number got reduced down to about 10 people. Many other states also did this, so fair enough. But many other states like Michigan and Texas admitted that this doesn't apply to religious establishments. This ought to be correct. We have a little thing called separation of church and state, freedom of religion, and freedom of assembly. This ought to be unconstitutional even if it did prevent disease. Nahhhh, let's walk all over those rights! In Virginia, if 11 people show up to church, all of them are felons and can expect to be jailed or fined $2500!

Virginia governor makes attending church a criminal offense



He says this, but Northam has repeatedly pushed back deadlines, and I imagine he'd like it if churches closed indefinitely. As it stands, many will due to lack of funds. Anyone thinking atheism isn't a religion only has to look at how no such restrictions are made to the ABC store (which pays into his salary, and thus is an "essential business") but seems hellbent to get rid of churches. If that doesn't look like a rival religion, I dunno what does. Also, turns out it's racist. The ones most likely staying open are black Baptist churches (Episcopal and Methodists have all closed). Blackface Northam strikes again!

Yes, maybe some people do need to exercise precaution. But we cannot be allowed to overturn the Bill of Rights (in US) or other civil rights in other countries. Once you lose such freedoms, there is precedent for it, and you have trouble getting them back. We do have the right to assemble. And we do have right to religion. Probably there is an expectation that people will do it using social media, but not everyone is tech savvy.

In the mean time, I'll leave you this video. It's very disturbing, as it shows the unsettling event of the major church handing down edicts to backwoods churches. Will monastic groups be forced to split apart when they have no contact with the outside world and are unlikely to get sick?

Restricting gatherings does no in any way restrict belief. So I don't get the "freedom of religion" thing in this context. If you don't get together in a single building, do you cease to be a Christian, or Hindu, or whatever?

 

[Milton Platt]

America was founded on Christianity. That is why since it has become atheistic and secularized that they must remove any Christian symbols or practices found in it's proceedings.

The reason for the division of church/state was to keep the state out of the Churches business. It wasn't to open the door to atheist, pagans, muslims, etc. etc.

But, we are getting far afield of the topic. If you want to discuss the founding of America,whether or not it was Christian, then start another topic. I will be glad to participate.

Good-Ole-Rebel

You have it backwards. It was to keep the church out of the state's business. You need to study history.

 

[Sand Dancer]

Well, that is what I have been saying. The secular world doesn't see the need for Christians to meet. But it is a need. And the secular world doesn't and can't understand it.

When the secular moves into the area of religion, then the Christian can obey to a certain degree. But, as I showed you, there is a certain place where we must draw the line. And I see making our gatherings illegal would be one of them.

Good-Ole-Rebel

Humans need community, no matter what it is. Health of people come first.

 

[Sand Dancer]

America was founded on Christianity. That is why since it has become atheistic and secularized that they must remove any Christian symbols or practices found in it's proceedings.

The reason for the division of church/state was to keep the state out of the Churches business. It wasn't to open the door to atheist, pagans, muslims, etc. etc.

But, we are getting far afield of the topic. If you want to discuss the founding of America,whether or not it was Christian, then start another topic. I will be glad to participate.

Good-Ole-Rebel

The founders were Deist and liberal Christians, mostly all Masons. We are a secular country with religious (to all religions) freedom.

 

[McBell]

First of all, you are not my brother. Second of all, I didn't say fool, I said foolish. Third of all, you quote from the Sermon on the Mount which is the future laws of the Kingdom. This is not directed to the Church.

So again, your attempt to use the Bible against me means nothing to me, as you deny God and Christ.

Good-Ole-Rebel

You always have some bull**** spin when you are shown how you might be going aginst the Bible.

One of the reasons Christians are their own worst enemy.

I know,
I am not a Christian therefore my opinion does not mean anything to you.
Though, truth be told, I can not help but wonder who it is you are trying to convince with that line.
I strongly suspect it is yourself more than anyone else.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

I never said the Christian is special. We are Christian.

Pleading and insisting you should be exempt from following the law like everyone else is to loudly and proudly proclaim "I am a Snowflake!" That's how special you think you are as a Christian.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

America was founded on Christianity

Wrong again.
Avalon Project - The Barbary Treaties 1786-1816 - Treaty of Peace and Friendship, Signed at Tripoli November 4, 1796

ARTICLE 11.
As the government of the United States of America is not in any sense founded on the Christian Religion

 

[Good-Ole-Rebel]

Humans need community, no matter what it is. Health of people come first.

Not the same. Have you read through this thread?

Good-Ole-Rebel

 

[Good-Ole-Rebel]

You always have some bull**** spin when you are shown how you might be going aginst the Bible.

One of the reasons Christians are their own worst enemy.

I know,
I am not a Christian therefore my opinion does not mean anything to you.
Though, truth be told, I can not help but wonder who it is you are trying to convince with that line.
I strongly suspect it is yourself more than anyone else.

My answers were straight forward and true. No spin.

A non-christian can have an opinion. But when they move into the area of using the Bible which they reject as the Word of God, against the believer, their opinion means very little, if anything at all.

Good-Ole-Rebel

 

[Good-Ole-Rebel]

Pleading and insisting you should be exempt from following the law like everyone else is to loudly and proudly proclaim "I am a Snowflake!" That's how special you think you are as a Christian.

I have already said the Christians here in Texas are not breaking any law. But if it ever became law that we cannot meet, then I believe that is a line we have to cross.

If you want to call me special, that's fine. All I am saying is we are Christian.

Good-Ole-Rebel

 

[Good-Ole-Rebel]

Wrong again.
Avalon Project - The Barbary Treaties 1786-1816 - Treaty of Peace and Friendship, Signed at Tripoli November 4, 1796

Mayflower Compact 1620. America is founded on Christianity.

Start another thread on this topic. I will participate.

Good-Ole-Rebel

 

[McBell]

Mayflower Compact 1620. America is founded on Christianity.

Start another thread on this topic. I will participate.

Good-Ole-Rebel