Religious Liberty: President Trump's Unmatched Record

[Wrangler]

That's a very un-Christian perspective.

How do you come to that conclusion? Are Christians not supposed to have fully developed epistemology and confidence in knowledge of any kind?

That’s quite the expression given Christians lead the world in education for Millenia.

 

[tytlyf]

That’s quite the expression given Christians lead the world in education for Millenia.

That's a borderline questionable statement. Are you sure it wasn't the Jews?
Key findings on how world religions differ by education

 

[icehorse]

How do you come to that conclusion? Are Christians not supposed to have fully developed epistemology and confidence in knowledge of any kind?

That’s quite the expression given Christians lead the world in education for Millenia.

Not where I was headed, not a good guess on your part.

Where I was headed was the idea that Christians claim to be tolerant - you know, the whole "turn the other cheek" idea? Claiming that the US is a "Christian Nation" is an extremely intolerant stance, correct?

 

[tytlyf]

Claiming that the US is a "Christian Nation" is an extremely intolerant stance, correct?

Which would automatically make Religious Freedom extinct in America. (from a constitutional perspective).
But this is what millions of Christian Nationalists support and vote for in America. Changing the secular constitution into a theocratic document.

 

[Subduction Zone]

How do you come to that conclusion? Are Christians not supposed to have fully developed epistemology and confidence in knowledge of any kind?

That’s quite the expression given Christians lead the world in education for Millenia.

No, not for Millenia. In fact not even for one millennium. Before the Christians were the leaders in world education the Muslims were. Christians took over when the Muslims caught the disease of fundamentalism. The Christian time of dominance started roughly with Galilep.

 

[icehorse]

That's a borderline questionable statement. Are you sure it wasn't the Jews?
Key findings on how world religions differ by education

your new thumbnail is quite jarring

 

[Quetzal]

This separation of church and state is NOT in the Constitution

Never said it was, but I still believe it is important to implement.

 

[Revoltingest]

your new thumbnail is quite jarring

It's a photo from when he was younger.

 

[Wrangler]

Never said it was, but I still believe it is important to implement.

That's where we differ. Are you familiar with Mark 7:13?

America is and always was a Christian nation. We are socially free when we are ruled by law - not expansion of secularism or any other ideology - by default and counter to law.

 

[Wrangler]

Before the Christians were the leaders in world education the Muslims were.

You have been indoctrinated with false history. It was never the Muslims but Arabs who embraced education before the time of the Renaissance. An interesting factoid is that the 1,000 years before, from the time of the fall of the Roman Empire was a period called the Dark Ages, who paradoxically established the institution of colleges and universities are Christian leadership.

 

[tytlyf]

. Are you familiar with Mark 7:13?

America is and always was a Christian nation.

Are you familiar with the Treaty of Tripoli article 11 signed by President John Adams in 1797?

"As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion; as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion, or tranquility, of Mussulmen; and as the said States never entered into any war or act of hostility against any Mahometan nation, it is declared by the parties that no pretext arising from religious opinions shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries.”

Would you consider yourself a Dominionist?

Dominion theology (also known as dominionism) is a group of Christian political ideologies that seek to institute a nation governed by Christians based on their understandings of biblical law.

 

[Wrangler]

Where I was headed was the idea that Christians claim to be tolerant - you know, the whole "turn the other cheek" idea? Claiming that the US is a "Christian Nation" is an extremely intolerant stance, correct?

Totally wrong. Saying 1 + 1 = 2 is a mathematical fact. If you are so indoctrinated with the notion of false equality and tolerance to assert saying truth is intolerant of what is false, then so be it. However, that is a specious supposition.

Which would automatically make Religious Freedom extinct in America. (from a constitutional perspective).

Not at all. Not at all from a Constitutional perspective, merely from a secular perspective.

But this is what millions of Christian Nationalists support and vote for in America. Changing the secular constitution into a theocratic document.

Amen!

 

[Wrangler]

Are you familiar with the Treaty of Tripoli article 11 signed by President John Adams in 1797?

"As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion

Absolutely. You seem to be confusing America's government with the nation of America.

 

[Quetzal]

That's where we differ. Are you familiar with Mark 7:13?

America is and always was a Christian nation. We are socially free when we are ruled by law - not expansion of secularism or any other ideology - by default and counter to law.

Ew, no thanks.

 

[tytlyf]

Absolutely. You seem to be confusing America's government with the nation of America.

But catholics don't fall into your category of christians do they? So pick your specific denomination of christianity and count the populace.
I bet there's more atheists in America.
So by your logic, America is an atheist nation.

There's no point mentioning "America is a christian nation" if you're not referring to it's government.
At least you admit to being against the secular constitution and would prefer biblical sharia law instead.

 

[Subduction Zone]

You have been indoctrinated with false history. It was never the Muslims but Arabs who embraced education before the time of the Renaissance. An interesting factoid is that the 1,000 years before, from the time of the fall of the Roman Empire was a period called the Dark Ages, who paradoxically established the institution of colleges and universities are Christian leadership.

And those Arabs were Muslims. It was not until Islam became fundamentalist that they lost that lead. By your standards, equating the European lead in the sciences to Christianity than it was a "Muslim" lead before then. The Dark Ages were the times when Christianity was the driving force behind knowledge in the west. What freed us was the rise of secular thought largely made possible by the schism in Christianity.

Please, don't accuse others of your sins. Though it is rather humorous at times.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Totally wrong. Saying 1 + 1 = 2 is a mathematical fact. If you are so indoctrinated with the notion of false equality and tolerance to assert saying truth is intolerant of what is false, then so be it. However, that is a specious supposition.

Instead of spouting nonsense you should try to support your claims for once. It might be interesting.

Not at all. Not at all from a Constitutional perspective, merely from a secular perspective.

The Constitution is secular. You do not even appear to understand the word that you hate so much.

Amen!

So now you admit to having an evil intent. That does not help you very much.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Columbus - from Islamic oppression

Not recognized as a federal holiday until 1934.

Christ - from sin oppression

Not an established holiday in the Constitution. Not recognized as a federal holiday until 1870, and was banned by Puritans in some places prior to that.

Washington - from imperial England oppression

Not until 1879.

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

It is religious freedom, the religious freedom Trump is praised for defending.

Your basic problem is in redefining words according to secular dogma, disregarding the centuries old and religious oriented culture the words came from.

Ever hear of the expression, “When in Rome, do as the Romans do?” This does NOT mean your secular concept of disrespecting the culture on which you are treading - including religion.

At America’s Founding, our Christian Nation established 3 Holy Days. These were to honor the birth of our deliverers:

• Christ - from sin oppression
• Columbus - from Islamic oppression
• Washington - from imperial England oppression

Other countries are free to establish Holy Days that seem best for their form of religious expression.

You might have a peek at the Treaty of Tripoli, signed in 1796 and ratified by the US Senate unanimously without debate on June 7, 1797, taking effect June 10, 1797, with the signature of President John Adams. In particular, you might take a boo at a clause in Article 11 of the English language American version which states that "the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion." (Oh, poop! @tytlyf beat me to it!)

On the subject of "when in Rome," by the way, might I ask -- was America empty when the first Europeans wandered in and grasped everything for themselves? And would you call the treatment of those who were already on the land -- and who helped the first European arrivals to actually survive -- truly "Christian?"

 

[icehorse]

Totally wrong. Saying 1 + 1 = 2 is a mathematical fact. If you are so indoctrinated with the notion of false equality and tolerance to assert saying truth is intolerant of what is false, then so be it. However, that is a specious supposition.

I have no idea how this applies to our conversation, for that matter I don't even know what it means?

But let's let that go and take a step back, would you agree that the Constitution calls for the separation of church and state?