"Religious people are scared of hell; spiritual people have actually been there."

[Timothy Bryce]

First of all, to me, to which 'hell ' are you referring, because there is a BIG difference between ' biblical hell ' and the religious-myth permanent hell teaching that is just taught as being the Bible's hell.

Does anyone righteous go to hell, because, to me, the day righteous Jesus' died Jesus went to hell.
- Acts of the Apostles 2:27; Psalms 16:10
If biblical hell was a permanent place then Jesus would still be biblical hell.
A permanent place can Not be unlocked. Jesus has the keys to unlock hell - Revelation 1:18
Jesus taught ' sleep ' (Not pain) in death - John 11:12-14 - then the dead know nothing.
Just as we are Not aware of the passing of time while asleep, the dead are un-aware of anything.
Jesus was well educated in the old Hebrew Scriptures which also teach unconscious sleep in death:
- Psalms 6:5; Psalms 13:3; Psalms 115:17; Psalms 146:4; Daniel 12:2; Daniel 12:13; Ecclesiastes 9:5
So, the Bible's hell is just mankind's temporary grave for the sleeping dead until resurrection day, or Jesus' coming millennium-long day of governing over Earth in righteousness.- Acts of the Apostles 24:15
So, there is nothing to fear, or be scared of biblical hell, because biblical hell is just the temporary grave.

I mean "hell" in a rhetorical sense.

The way the bible should be interpreted IMO.

 

[psychoslice]

We do draw from one another now don't we?
I don't wanna die like my parents did.

So you are really just frighten of dying, and your belief is your crutch ?.

 

[Timothy Bryce]

You finally got something right. Everyone should scared to death of hell and no one living has eve been there.

First of all: do you have a broken keyboard or something? Your posts are riddled with typos.

Secondly, no one should be scared of something that obviously does not exist. Like hell. I'm sorry you wasted your 84 years of life living in fear of something that isn't real. No wonder discussing religion with you is like talking to a brick wall.

Heaven by defintion is not on earth, and neither is hell.

They're just words - people can define them as they wish.

I doubt if you have met enough conservative Christians to know them well enough to make such a statement. If fact you have no way of knowing if they really were a Christian.

I spent 13 years in a Catholic schooling so your doubt is misplaced.

Again - 84 years old and you never learned proper grammar or pagination? Wow.

What happens to non-believes is the result of living in a fallen world. What happens to believer is caused or allowed by God for a purpose.

This is too incoherent to respond to. Sorry.

For example?

My personal experience.

 

[Brickjectivity]

No wonder discussing religion with you is like talking to a brick wall.

Hey, leave me out of it!

 

[savagewind]

So you are really just frighten of dying, and your belief is your crutch ?.

I don't think wanting to live should be construed as the fear of dying.

 

[Luciferi Baphomet]

Well yes that is very true. Religious people fear "hell and sin" even though "hell and sin" is not real.

 

[jeager106]

So you are really just frighten of dying, and your belief is your crutch ?.

That was a nasty comment and I have no idea what prompted it.

 

[jeager106]

Well yes that is very true. Religious people fear "hell and sin" even though "hell and sin" is not real.

I believe sin is real, hell is not.

 

[Luciferi Baphomet]

I believe sin is real, hell is not.

So you believe sin in real and not hell? Odd.

 

[jeager106]

So you are really just frighten of dying, and your belief is your crutch ?.

I'd prefer NOT to die an alcoholic death.
Ever seen someone die of alcoholism?
Ain't pretty.
Slow, painful, debilitating, and unnecessary.
Crutch?
I take that word as an insult the way you used it.
That wasn't kind at all.
Beneath even your lack of dignity in fact.
A man of your years should have greater character.

 

[jeager106]

So you believe sin in real and not hell? Odd.

Not add at all.
You are quite young and haven't been exposed to various truths for
very long.
You'll understand one day.
Hell as a place of eternal torment does not exist.
Google that up for a while and ruminate on it.

 

[Luciferi Baphomet]

Not add at all.
You are quite young and haven't been exposed to various truths for
very long.
You'll understand one day.
Hell as a place of eternal torment does not exist.
Google that up for a while and ruminate on it.

Ok how old do you think I am?

 

[psychoslice]

That was a nasty comment and I have no idea what prompted it.

What is so nasty about asking you that question, its only a question, when you said I don't want to die like my parents, my parents died terrible also. I did used religion at that time to make me feel better, especially about seeing them again, I didn't realize it though until later.

 

[psychoslice]

I'd prefer NOT to die an alcoholic death.
Ever seen someone die of alcoholism?
Ain't pretty.
Slow, painful, debilitating, and unnecessary.
Crutch?
I take that word as an insult the way you used it.
That wasn't kind at all.
Beneath even your lack of dignity in fact.
A man of your years should have greater character.

I didn't personally see anything wrong in what I said, what I said is my experience, many people use religion as a crutch, I'm sure you realize that ?.

 

[omega2xx]

First of all: do you have a broken keyboard or something? Your posts are riddled with typos.

I am a poor typist and a even poorer editor of my post. Sorry about that.

Secondly, no one should be scared of something that obviously does not exist. Like hell. I'm sorry you wasted your 84 years of life living in fear of something that isn't real. No wonder discussing religion with you is like talking to a brick wall.

First of all I put my mouth in motion before I put my mind in gear. I have no fear of hell, because Christians don't go there. Second, you have no evidence hell is not real. That is only your unsupported opinion. Third I was not a Christian the day I was born. It took me 45 years to see the Light. Discussing religion what me is like talking to a brick wall because you do not understand Christianity, and you think all of your opinions are the truth.

They're just words - people can define them as they wish.

They can but unless the dictionary reinforces the definition, they are wrong.

I spent 13 years in a Catholic schooling so your doubt is misplaced.

Not at all. Going to a Catholic school does not cause anyone to understand the Bible or Christianity. There are seminary graduates who do not understand the Bible

Again - 84 years old and you never learned proper grammar or pagination? Wow.

It seems that when someone can't refute the comments of the other person, they resort to criticizing their use of English. If you want to talk about English, start a thread on the subject.

This is too incoherent to respond to. Sorry.

It is always incoherent to those who can't understand it.

My personal experience.

Personal experience do not make what you experienced valid for what is universally true.

 

[whirlingmerc]

yes and no...
religious people is too broad

in 1 John, John says 'perfect love casts out fear' and 'he who fears is not perfected in love'
as the 'Amazing Grace' hymn goes
Grace taught my heart to fear and grace my fears relieved.

Guilt or fear aren't destinations but ways to move a person
the end result is peace and a right relationship with God
don't remain in fear or guilt, move on to better.

 

[jeager106]

Ok how old do you think I am?

22

 

[jeager106]

What is so nasty about asking you that question, its only a question, when you said I don't want to die like my parents, my parents died terrible also. I did used religion at that time to make me feel better, especially about seeing them again, I didn't realize it though until later.

My mistaken interpretation. What a great post!

 

[David T]

"Religious people are scared of hell; spiritual people have actually been there."

I heard some woman say this at a Narcotics Anonymous meeting the other day. I have to say that it really resonated with me.

If heaven is a place on earth, hell certainly has a presence here too.

Most self proclaimed "religious" people who I've met, who seem to be paying lip service to the religion they were born into, don't seem to question their concept of spirituality in any analytical way and approach spirituality as if it is some kind of hobby or chore to avoid being burned for eternity. The idea of communicating with god or the universe or whatever as if it were a person sitting in front of you seems completely and utterly ridiculous.

On the other hand, most of my friends and like minded individuals have gone through some first world hell of their own making (as first world problems usually tend to be self-constructed) and we've all seemed to have had genuine spiritual experiences that involved some form of redemption from self-imposed suffering and connection with our surroundings; ultimately there seems to be a consensus that everything that we had gone through had happened for some divine reason (to allow us to experience some form of higher power) and that simply the fact that we are still alive and kicking indicates that there is some purpose for all of us - the fallen ones.

It seems to have a lot of substance to it than: "damn it! we're gonna be late for church!"

That higher power is called nature.

 

[Quintessence]

But how can you know what she'd been through or how she'd been affected over the course of her life. Isn't that erroneous presumptuousness on your part?

I don't understand how anything I said has such implications, no. You're going to have to explain to me how objecting gross over-generalizations about "religious people" is in any way making a comment about the character of the speaker. I just get fed up with folks saying "religious people" when they are talking about some teaching that is specific to particular religions. Damnatory hells are pretty much just a thing within certain traditions of Christianity and Islam, yet this woman speaks as if all of us religions people are beholden to that? Rubbish. As a non-Christian, I get really sick and tired of this sort of thing.