Remove ’Everybody Draw Muhammad Day’ from Facebook

[Satans_Serrated_Edge]

Hey, Im not about to let some blowhard that doesnt know me from adam make personal barbs about me unchecked. I guess I should have just reported it.
Quagmire=reported and ignored. Good riddance.

 

[Badran]

Not that I'm disagreeing with you necessarily... but is there a better way to go about doing this?

I feel like there's a societal taboo on depicting the prophet for fear of offending sensibilities that may eventually have violent consequences. This isn't an unfounded fear, as was made evident by the violence that erupted as a response to the Danish cartoons a few years back.

As a US citizen, I take my freedom of speech/expression very seriously, and am vehemently opposed to anyone telling me what I can and can't say/express. I know I don't need to prove anything to anyone... but when a major television network (comedy central) won't air a harmless depiction of the prophet out of fear (a la southpark), then I think you're going to see a societal backlash. If we continue to be afraid to depict him, then we are in essence capitulating to the demands of those who threaten us with violence.

What I'd like to know is, how else are we supposed to respond to this? Act as if nothing is going on and continue to give Islam special treatment out of fear?

I understand what you are saying. My opinion is, that if they want to air it, then air it, and don't reside to the pressure by Muslims. However, the thing is, why do they want to do that in the first place?

If they want to, for any artistic or any reason that has nothing to do with particularly insulting Muslims, then this is not the part i mind, although they already know that it will bother Muslims, but at least that isn't the Goal.

I will be upset to see him in a funny cartoon to be honest, but that is not my main problem, especially because my mind is not made up on the subject of drawing him or whatever. If they don't air it, that doesn't mean they did it out of fear, it should be out of respect for other religious figures of people. Why should you misuse freedom in such manner, why? I don't understand really, but as i said, if they want to air it, they should have aired it.

But the facebook group, is mainly an intended insult towards Muslims just to show that they can't stop them. You don't need to prove that. So this is the kind of thing that i mainly mind.

 

[Wannabe Yogi]

It's against my faith to eat beef.

-Should I threaten everyone to stop eating beef? No!

-Should I get Mad at non-Hindu's for eating beef? No!

-Should Muslims expect non-Muslims in secular states to stop making the Images of the Prophet ? No!

-I would not draw a picture of the prophet out of respect for Islam. Thats my choice. By making laws against drawing the prophet we are taking a away a sacred concept to us in the west. Free speech!

 

[Kilgore Trout]

-I would not draw a picture of the prophet out of respect for Islam. Thats my choice.

Absolutely. Nor would I, but once Muslims attempt to dictate our behavior to us, Islam loses the right to that respect. Respect has to be mutual, or it is meaningless.

 

[.lava]

Shia Islam's avatar as far as I am aware represents Imam Ali (AS) and his son, Imam Hussein. Not the Prophet (SAW).

yes, that would be correct

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[.lava]

Respect has to be mutual, or it is meaningless.

oh yeah.. i completely agree. so? what's our problem? who gets to decide defination of free speech? who gets to decide where the end of it should be? i am more powerful than you so i get to decide? i represent what's better so you have no choice but to obey my judgement?

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[Perfect Circle]

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But the facebook group, is mainly an intended insult towards Muslims just to show that they can't stop them. You don't need to prove that. So this is the kind of thing that i mainly mind.

I don't think it actually is intended mainly as an insult. I'm sure a good number of the people that joined it did so for that reason, but from what I gather, it just originated as a protest against the taboo of depicting the prophet. If that's case, I see no problem with it. If you're offended by it... do like I do with foxnews.. just don't go to it.

 

[Tanuki]

Why is it though that people feel the need to depict the Prophet (SAW) at all?

They know the kind of controversy it will cause, so why don't they just leave it alone?

 

[Satans_Serrated_Edge]

How about free speech is free speech? Pretty much any opinion, idea or thing that can be expressed or created will offend someone, somewhere. should it all be banned? Why just things that offend muslims?

 

[Tanuki]

Free speech can go too far you know!

It's a matter of not inciting groups just for the sake of it! It would be free speech for me to burn the stars and stripes, but I wouldn't do it as I wouldn't want to offend the Yanks just because I could.

 

[Wannabe Yogi]

oh yeah.. i completely agree. so? what's our problem? who gets to decide defination of free speech? who gets to decide where the end of it should be? i am more powerful than you so i get to decide? i represent what's better so you have no choice but to obey my judgement?

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Each country should decide. If Turks don't want pictures of the prophet of Islam I bow to them. We Americans will choose a different path. After this whole thing calms down. I am sure most will respect the wishes of our Muslim brothers and sisters. There will always be some who do stuff that others don't like. In America we are allowed to burn our own flags in protest.

 

[Perfect Circle]

Why is it though that people feel the need to depict the Prophet (SAW) at all?

They know the kind of controversy it will cause, so why don't they just leave it alone?

The same can be said of of a number of things. I'm offended when people impose Hitler mustaches on images of the president, or when American flags are burned... does that mean those things should be outlawed?

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

How about free speech is free speech? Pretty much any opinion, idea or thing that can be expressed or created will offend someone, somewhere. should it all be banned? Why just things that offend muslims?

Do you think that everyone in this thread who thinks this is a bad idea wants it banned? I know I don't.

Still doesn't make it a good idea or a positive thing, though.

 

[Satans_Serrated_Edge]

Tanuki,
Free speech is all or nothing, hence the 'free' part. So you are against free speech then?

 

[.lava]

How about free speech is free speech? Pretty much any opinion, idea or thing that can be expressed or created will offend someone, somewhere. should it all be banned? Why just things that offend muslims?

i think, generally speaking, free speech is not free at all. because people are manipulated, they are told which action is titled "free" so people do it because they are told that's what freedom is. it is not freedon if you're directed in certain path to prove yourself to others and to yourself. freedom is there where you have no need or desire to prove yourself to anyone because that is independent. so people draw pictures of Prophets to prove they are free. they actually prove they are slaves of general stream

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[9-10ths_Penguin]

Free speech is all or nothing, hence the 'free' part. So you are against free speech then?

Do you think it's a good idea to say every thing you're legally able to say?

Do you not understand the difference between "you're free to say that, but I don't think it's a good idea" and "you shouldn't be free to say that"?

 

[Tanuki]

The same can be said of of a number of things. I'm offended when people impose Hitler mustaches on images of the president, or when American flags are burned... does that mean those things should be outlawed?

I'm not saying that they should be outlawed, but as a matter of common decency such acts shouldn't be carried out simply because they can be.

 

[Perfect Circle]

i think, generally speaking, free speech is not free at all. because people are manipulated, they are told which action is titled "free" so people do it because they are told that's what freedom is. it is not freedon if you're directed in certain path to prove yourself to others and to yourself. freedom is there where you have no need or desire to prove yourself to anyone because that is independent. so people draw pictures of Prophets to prove they are free. they actually prove they are slaves of general stream

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Sorry .lava, I'm not following you here. These people in this group may just be hateful people trying to look cool or something... But the societal response is genuine, and IMO kind of warranted.

 

[Satans_Serrated_Edge]

Do you think it's a good idea to say every thing you're legally able to say?

Do you not understand the difference between "you're free to say that, but I don't think it's a good idea" and "you shouldn't be free to say that"?

Of course I understand that, but it's beside the point. Do you understand that you don't get to dictate to others what constitutes a 'good idea'?

Just because you or anyone else doesn't like something that is being said doesn't give you the right to enforce your view on others.

 

[.lava]

Each country should decide. If Turks don't want pictures of the prophet of Islam I bow to them. We Americans will choose a different path. After this whole thing calms down. I am sure most will respect the wishes of our Muslim brothers and sisters. There will always be some who do stuff that others don't like. In America we are allowed to burn our own flags in protest.

but those silly imaginary borders between nations don't mean anything anymore. people are connected. people hear each other and talk to each other regardless which part of planet they are.

btw, i would not burn any flag. i would not burn Turkish flag either because it is not just mine. but i can make a flag for my own and burn it if wish to. that would be my concern alone. i would not burn American flag either though it does not remind me nice things but i know many young people died for it, i know that in American schools children learn to love it. well, same here. therefor i don't need to be genious to figure that out. it means something to American people naturally

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