Republican Tax Nonsense

[Joe_Stocks]

Hi Smoke,

I think it would be refreshing myself, if liberals would openly express contempt for the mouth-breathing, knuckle-dragging few who consider themselves the "real Americans." Certainly, conservatives have long expressed their contempt for everybody else.

Of course the contempt isn't just for conservatives like myself (which doesn't bother me in the slightest) but for anyone that breaks with the liberal orthodoxy of socialized healthcare, anti-Iraq war and global warming.

 

[Joe_Stocks]

Hi mball,

Just because you're a liberal doesn't mean you have to vote for Democrats. Democrats and liberals are two separate groups.

You point is noted, although the vast majority of American liberals vote for the Democratic Party so lets not kid ourselves about this giant overlap.

Yeah, then they could be like pretty much all conservative politicians, who do this constantly with their love of "down-home, patriotic, small-town Americans" as opposed to those "unpatriotic, big-city, smart folks".

This is my point. Let all the politicians openly express their contempt for those Cretan Americans that don't agree with them. I venture to guess that liberals have contempt for more Americans than conservatives.

 

[Magic Man]

You point is noted, although the vast majority of American liberals vote for the Democratic Party so lets not kid ourselves about this giant overlap.

Regardless of who they vote for, if someone doesn't vote Democrat, that doesn't mean they're not a liberal. If someone says "I don't like the Republican or Democratic party", you don't infer from that "So, you're saying you're not a liberal?".

This is my point. Let all the politicians openly express their contempt for those Cretan Americans that don't agree with them. I venture to guess that liberals have contempt for more Americans than conservatives.

I venture to guess you're very fond of grouping people together to make it simpler for you to dismiss them.

 

[Joe_Stocks]

Hi mball,

Regardless of who they vote for, if someone doesn't vote Democrat, that doesn't mean they're not a liberal. If someone says "I don't like the Republican or Democratic party", you don't infer from that "So, you're saying you're not a liberal?".

But the inference of voting for the Democratic Party to being a liberal is very high. I know this is not always the case. Your point is taken.

I venture to guess you're very fond of grouping people together to make it simpler for you to dismiss them.

Actually, I made my original point with another thought in my head and that is it seems liberals live in their own universe. I have seen Smoke and T-Dawg make points along the lines like they can't believe Republicans will make gains in the November mid-terms (or for Smoke, he can understand it because the voters are so stupid).

And I thought to myself, "Really? Liberals can't understand why Republicans would make gains in the mid-terms? Do they live on the same planet I am on?" I mean, I am pretty right-wing conservative but I understood completely why Democrats made gains in the 2006 and 2008 elections. I was not mystified by this event or chalked it up to the voters being retards. But when Republicans are poised to have a big November it is either not believed by liberals are is because the voters are too stupid to understand what is going on.

 

[Magic Man]

Actually, I made my original point with another thought in my head and that is it seems liberals live in their own universe. I have seen Smoke and T-Dawg make points along the lines like they can't believe Republicans will make gains in the November mid-terms (or for Smoke, he can understand it because the voters are so stupid).

And I thought to myself, "Really? Liberals can't understand why Republicans would make gains in the mid-terms? Do they live on the same planet I am on?" I mean, I am pretty right-wing conservative but I understood completely why Democrats made gains in the 2006 and 2008 elections. I was not mystified by this event or chalked it up to the voters being retards. But when Republicans are poised to have a big November it is either not believed by liberals are is because the voters are too stupid to understand what is going on.

Oh, I think most Democrats and liberals can understand why Republicans might make gains in the upcoming elections. The problem they have is the reasoning for these gains is suspect.

 

[Comicaze247]

It's a propaganda term. Death is not taxed.

Much like "Pro-Life"

At least Bush actually cared about the people.

This made me "lol." In the library. I got glared at. Thanks a lot.

I would also argue that national healthcare is not for the whole of society. The appproval rating was somewhere between 35-40% when the bill was passed, meaning it was not wanted by even the majority of the country. How can something be for the general welfare if there isn't even a majority supporting it?

Good propaganda can do that.

Personally, I don't see why we can't just pay for school.

It would be the same thing as paying taxes for it really. It's kind of just unnecessary.

If government funded social services (which are paid for by taxes) were eliminated and people had to pay for such services themselves, those services would have to rely on the goodness of people's hearts to donate and for people to pay for the services themselves. You can say "people just need to get off their lazy *****" all you want, but if you take away a poor person's free education, then you significantly reduce (if not completely eliminate) their chances to succeed.

They don't make enough money, so they need a better job. The can't get a better job, because they lack the education. They can't get the education, because they don't make enough money. They don't make enough money, so they need a better job. Rinse. Repeat. You get the idea, right?

If you were to take away these government funded services, it would be crucial to raise wages as well, since people would need more money so that they could pay for those, formerly, government funded services.

There's also the idea that it will allow the "cream of the crop to rise." The thing is, if we don't support those at the bottom, they will, literally, die off, leaving nobody to do those jobs that those at the top hate and/or are unwilling to do.
United Farm Workers invite Americans to 'Take Our Jobs' - Jul. 7, 2010

 

[Smoke]

But when Republicans are poised to have a big November it is either not believed by liberals are is because the voters are too stupid to understand what is going on.

To be fair, I don't think all Republicans are stupid. They can basically be divided into five groups plus six sub-groups:

1) Stupid people
----a) Regular stupid people
----b) True believers in free market capitalism
2) Bad people
----a) Racists
----b) Homophobes
----c) Greedy rich people
----d) Greedy people who hope to be rich someday
3) People who aren't paying a bit of attention but their daddy always voted Republican
4) Militaristic psychos
5) Rev. Rick

 

[T-Dawg]

To be fair, I don't think all Republicans are stupid. They can basically be divided into five groups plus six sub-groups:

1) Stupid people
----a) Regular stupid people
----b) True believers in free market capitalism
2) Bad people
----a) Racists
----b) Homophobes
----c) Greedy rich people
----d) Greedy people who hope to be rich someday
3) People who aren't paying a bit of attention but their daddy always voted Republican
4) Militaristic psychos
5) Rev. Rick

Why does Rick get his own category? Is he really a republican if he's so different from every other republican?

Oh, and you forgot to add Christian Fundamentalists as a subcategory under Stupid People .
Oh, and I think right-wing conspiracy theorists vote republican (although they're more often libertarian). Not sure if that goes in it's own category or not.

 

[Joe_Stocks]

Hi mball,

Oh, I think most Democrats and liberals can understand why Republicans might make gains in the upcoming elections. The problem they have is the reasoning for these gains is suspect.

But why is this reasoning suspect? Again, I go back to the 2006 mid-terms. I, as a right-winger, completely understood the reason to vote for the opposition party (you had a very unpopular war and many corrupt Republicans in Congress). And in 2008, I also understood the reason to vote for Obama and the Democrats.

And now, with Obama and the Democrats in control they have spent trillions of dollars with no comparable growth in the economy, why wouldn't voters vote for the opposition party in a situation like that?

 

[Joe_Stocks]

Hi Smoke,

To be fair, I don't think all Republicans are stupid. They can basically be divided into five groups plus six sub-groups:

1) Stupid people
----a) Regular stupid people
----b) True believers in free market capitalism
2) Bad people
----a) Racists
----b) Homophobes
----c) Greedy rich people
----d) Greedy people who hope to be rich someday
3) People who aren't paying a bit of attention but their daddy always voted Republican
4) Militaristic psychos
5) Rev. Rick

But what is the explanation for the potential Republican gains this November? Does the governing party's performance have anything to do with the voters decision or is it almost all chalked up to the voters stupidity and bigotry?

 

[T-Dawg]

Hi Smoke,



But what is the explanation for the potential Republican gains this November? Does the governing party's performance have anything to do with the voters decision or is it almost all chalked up to the voters stupidity and bigotry?

Yes, a good chunk (or perhaps even a majority) of democrats are incompetent losers with no balls. What baffles us is why someone would, knowing this, proceed to elect someone they know is even more incompetent as a result.

To put this concept as an example: If I was a politician and promised to get us out of the war, but didn't make any effort towards doing so upon winning by a landslide, would you then expect voters to vote for those who vocally approve of the war and want to stay in it just because those are opposing me?

 

[Joe_Stocks]

Hi T-Dawg,

Yes, a good chunk (or perhaps even a majority) of democrats are incompetent losers with no balls. What baffles us is why someone would, knowing this, proceed to elect someone they know is even more incompetent as a result.

To put this concept as an example: If I was a politician and promised to get us out of the war, but didn't make any effort towards doing so upon winning by a landslide, would you then expect voters to vote for those who vocally approve of the war and want to stay in it just because those are opposing me?

This has one fatal flaw; Obama didn't campaign on spending trillions of dollars to get us out of the recession (his biggest campaign promise was tax cuts for 95% of Americans). When in office he spent like crazy and the American people don't believe this has helped the economy. Thus, they are going to vote for the party that will spend less which is the Republican Party.

Like I said before, Obama has something he has never had before; a governing record. And the American people will render their verdict in November.

 

[Reverend Rick]

Hi T-Dawg,



This has one fatal flaw; Obama didn't campaign on spending trillions of dollars to get us out of the recession (his biggest campaign promise was tax cuts for 95% of Americans). When in office he spent like crazy and the American people don't believe this has helped the economy. Thus, they are going to vote for the party that will spend less which is the Republican Party.

Like I said before, Obama has something he has never had before; a governing record. And the American people will render their verdict in November.

:yes:

 

[Smoke]

Why does Rick get his own category? Is he really a republican if he's so different from every other republican?

There's nobody like Rev. Rick.

Oh, and you forgot to add Christian Fundamentalists as a subcategory under Stupid People .

See Homophobes under Bad People.

 

[Smoke]

But what is the explanation for the potential Republican gains this November? Does the governing party's performance have anything to do with the voters decision or is it almost all chalked up to the voters stupidity and bigotry?

The Democrats are almost completely incompetent, but the Republicans are still orders of magnitude worse. Voting Republican because of lackluster Democratic performance is like driving off a cliff because there's a fly in the car.

 

[DallasApple]

Oh well..Just pay the taxes..stay out of jail..LOL!!!

Love

Dallas

 

[Joe_Stocks]

Hi Smoke,

The Democrats are almost completely incompetent, but the Republicans are still orders of magnitude worse. Voting Republican because of lackluster Democratic performance is like driving off a cliff because there's a fly in the car.

Except polls show that the American people want less government intervention into the economy and thus they will be voting for the Republican Party this November.

There was a reason that the Democratic Party hasn't controlled both houses of Congress and the Presidency since the early 1990's. They support policies that Americans greatly dislike.

 

[Smoke]

Except polls show that the American people want less government intervention into the economy and thus they will be voting for the Republican Party this November.

See "Stupid People," section b.

 

[angellous_evangellous]

Like I said before, Obama has something he has never had before; a governing record. And the American people will render their verdict in November.

It's normal for the party that has the Presidency to lose control of Congress during the first voting cycle.

It would be tragic and brutally self-destructive if Americans forget what Republican policies did to this country.

 

[angellous_evangellous]

See "Stupid People," section b.

:biglaugh: