Republicans Hate College Now, Apparently

[Terrywoodenpic]

This is rot. I am on the right and I am the most communistic person I know. We value things like honesty, honour and fidelity. We are not the monsters usually portrayed. We want the best for everyone, like most people.

Now that is new to me a right wing communist....
Who is we?
I never implied honesty honour and fidelity were particularly left wing traits. They are usually taken to the extreme by right wingers as a sort of badge. making up their sense of nation and belonging. But often taken no deeper than lip service. As per trump.

 

[Revoltingest]

Now that is new to me a right wing communist....
Who is we?
I never implied honesty honour and fidelity were particularly left wing traits. They are usually taken to the extreme by right wingers as a sort of badge. making up their sense of nation and belonging. But often taken no deeper than lip service. As per trump.

Note that "right" can mean different things.
It's commonly used for....
- Free market capitalism
- Authoritarianism
I think @Rival is the latter.
Communists are typically the authoritarian kind of "right".

 

[Rival]

Now that is new to me a right wing communist....
Who is we?
I never implied honesty honour and fidelity were particularly left wing traits. They are usually taken to the extreme by right wingers as a sort of badge. making up their sense of nation and belonging. But often taken no deeper than lip service. As per trump.

As for my politics I am a social conservative and an economic liberal. So I am a social conservative socialist. There's not really a term for that though.

 

[Valjean]

"social conservative socialist?"
Sounds like an oxymoron to me.

 

[Rival]

"social conservative socialist?"
Sounds like an oxymoron to me.

It's not. It's just rare. I support nationalised healthcare, schools, railways, banks etc. the welfare state, and so on (socialism), whilst being against gay marriage, abortion and so forth (social conservatism).

 

[Valjean]

Interesting.
Why do you oppose these things?

 

[Rival]

Interesting.
Why do you oppose these things?

That's a long discussion and irrelevant to the thread; also I'm in bed and typing on my phone. But that's my position. I describe myself as right and it confuses people who use that for an economic/fiscal term.

 

[Scott C.]

Offering differing worldviews and open discussion about philosophical stances is a threat to entrenched stances... It's no more complicated than that.

When foundational concepts are questioned, those who hold certain beliefs are threatened. It's a reflection of the validity of the foundations - which is another reason that actual debate has been replaced with nothing more than partisan posturing and bickering.

"You don't have to think to survive, so nobody listens."

Universities go beyond offering differing worldviews. They push liberalism as truth and conservativism as false.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

"social conservative socialist?"
Sounds like an oxymoron to me.

If it sounds like an oxymoron, that's because our political labels and terms and wings are terribly outdated and inaccurate and insufficient and inadequate. National Socialism, for example, doesn't really fit into a "Left v Right" dichotomy given it takes from both "wings." Adding a vertical scale helps out quite a bit, but then it gets more complicated to describe, as I would be a "Deep South Leftist," and it's just complicated.
Really, I would love to shed the whole "left and right" thing because it just doesn't work.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Universities go beyond offering differing worldviews. They push liberalism as truth and conservativism as false.

I just didn't find that to be the case. No one said you have to accept whatever views and reject others, views further Left than Liberalism were explored, ideas further Right than Conservativism were explored, and outside of math, science, and grammar rules not many will really says who is right or who is wrong. I had one professor who teaches lots of Neo-Marxism, and I had another one hailing Free-Market Capitalism. And of course some authors like Milton Friedman are/were university professors and teachers. That brand of Conservative economics did, after all, come out of the University of Chicago.

 

[Revoltingest]

That's a long discussion and irrelevant to the thread; also I'm in bed and typing on my phone. But that's my position. I describe myself as right and it confuses people who use that for an economic/fiscal term.

Here's a version of the Nolan Chart which might help....

As you can see, I'm on the top,
& you're at the bottom.....uh oh...
phrasing.....

 

[Revoltingest]

And here's one for proselytizing purposes....

 

[Rival]

Here's a version of the Nolan Chart which might help....

As you can see, I'm on the top,
& you're at the bottom.....uh oh...
phrasing.....

I'm here...

 

[Terrywoodenpic]

It's not. It's just rare. I support nationalised healthcare, schools, railways, banks etc. the welfare state, and so on (socialism), whilst being against gay marriage, abortion and so forth (social conservatism).

That is not at all unusual. Socialist come in all varieties. What you are describing is a puritanical version with strict moral and religious views. Not ones that might be considered necessarily right wing.
The majority of the Jewish community in the UK always supported the Labour party up to about the late seventies. Today there is a more even spread.

 

[Rival]

That is not at all unusual. Socialist come in all varieties. What you are describing is a puritanical version with strict moral and religious views. Not ones that might be considered necessarily right wing.
The majority of the Jewish community in the UK always supported the Labour party up to about the late seventies. Today there is a more even spread.

I haven't met a single person in the UK with the same political beliefs as me. My social conservatism doesn't even necessarily stem from my religious beliefs; I had these views even as an atheist. It's almost impossible finding anyone outside of devout religious communities with these views.

And what is it, right or left? I say right because of my social views.

 

[jonathan180iq]

Universities go beyond offering differing worldviews. They push liberalism as truth and conservativism as false.

Unless you can cite several specific examples, I'd say that's simply an inaccurate oversimplification, probably fueled by a bit of personal bias.

I mean, what does "they publish liberalism as truth" even mean?
What Liberalism do they publish?
And who are They?

 

[Terrywoodenpic]

I haven't met a single person in the UK with the same political beliefs as me. My social conservatism doesn't even necessarily stem from my religious beliefs; I had these views even as an atheist. It's almost impossible finding anyone outside of devout religious communities with these views.

And what is it, right or left? I say right because of my social views.

They are not at all unusual any labour party supporter or Traditional liberal one, for that matter, with a strict moral upbringing would fall into that sector.
Though such strict, verging on religious morals, are becoming unfashionable today.
But were very common up to the 60's. To day they are considered irrational, and unnecessarily puritanical by many.

 

[Terrywoodenpic]

Universities go beyond offering differing worldviews. They push liberalism as truth and conservativism as false.

not in any universities that I know about.
University staff, as a body, have no political agenda.
And there are clubs and societies supporting every political view for students to join.

Though since the enlightenment and it's counter. The educated classes have tended to inclusive thought. rather than the Authoritarian.
Universities give freedom to support all forms of expression.

Some student bodies vote for and often hold quite extreme views. usually against the current establishment and authority, what ever that might be.
That is as true in America, as it is in Europe, China or Russia or Africa.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Here's a version of the Nolan Chart which might help....

As you can see, I'm on the top,
& you're at the bottom.....uh oh...
phrasing.....

That one doesn't really work either, because Anarchist are often socialists, just as Marx's ideal society includes no state, which would be anarchy.

 

[Revoltingest]

That one doesn't really work either, because Anarchist are often socialists, just as Marx's ideal society includes no state, which would be anarchy.

It works just fine because anarchism & socialism are incompatible.
Socialism requires that this economic system be imposed upon
the unwilling. This requires a powerful government...not anarcy.

Self-identified "anarchists" who want socialism are just confused.