Respect for Marriage Act makes Congresswoman cry real tears.

[Revoltingest]

There is only One God.

Let me guess....yours?
The dozens of monotheistic religions that immediately
leap to mind have some very different views on just
what that God guy desires, demands, & does.

There is no compulsion in religions. That is a God given bounty.

An example otherwise arrived in the news today....
U.N., U.S. respond to Taliban ban on women in non-governmental organizations

As such, submission becomes a choice and it is in that submission that we can find true liberty.

Regards Tony

Submission to authority is "true liberty"?
I see liberty as uncoerced independent thought.
This does not lead me to submit to any deity,
clerics, or scripture.

 

[TransmutingSoul]

Well, I'm not that much into the DS part of BDSM. But to each their own. Just don't ask me to be your sub.

I voted no.

Regards Tony

 

[TransmutingSoul]

Submission to authority is "true liberty"?
I see liberty as uncoerced independent thought.
This does not lead me to submit to any deity,
clerics, or scripture.

Luckily I have a choice in this matter and to me God has given good advice, to which I choose to follow and have found it is true liberty to submit.

Here is some of the advice I choose to live by.

"Know ye that the embodiment of liberty and its symbol is the animal. That which beseemeth man is submission unto such restraints as will protect him from his own ignorance, and guard him against the harm of the mischief-maker. Liberty causeth man to overstep the bounds of propriety, and to infringe on the dignity of his station. It debaseth him to the level of extreme depravity and wickedness." Bahá’u’lláh, Gleanings from the Writings of Bahá’u’lláh, p. 335-336

"Liberty must, in the end, lead to sedition, whose flames none can quench. Thus warneth you He Who is the Reckoner, the All-Knowing." Bahá’u’lláh, Gleanings from the Writings of Bahá’u’lláh, p. 335-336

"The liberty that profiteth you is to be found nowhere except in complete servitude unto God, the Eternal Truth. Whoso hath tasted of its sweetness will refuse to barter it for all the dominion of earth and heaven." Bahá’u’lláh, Gleanings from the Writings of Bahá’u’lláh, p. 335

"True liberty consisteth in man's submission unto My commandments, little as ye know it." Bahá’u’lláh, Gleanings from the Writings of Bahá’u’lláh, p. 335

More here.

I voted no

Regards Tony

 

[Revoltingest]

Luckily I have a choice in this matter and to me God has given good advice, to which I choose to follow and have found it is true liberty to submit.

Here is some of the advice I choose to live by.

"Know ye that the embodiment of liberty and its symbol is the animal. That which beseemeth man is submission unto such restraints as will protect him from his own ignorance, and guard him against the harm of the mischief-maker. Liberty causeth man to overstep the bounds of propriety, and to infringe on the dignity of his station. It debaseth him to the level of extreme depravity and wickedness." Bahá’u’lláh, Gleanings from the Writings of Bahá’u’lláh, p. 335-336

"Liberty must, in the end, lead to sedition, whose flames none can quench. Thus warneth you He Who is the Reckoner, the All-Knowing." Bahá’u’lláh, Gleanings from the Writings of Bahá’u’lláh, p. 335-336

"The liberty that profiteth you is to be found nowhere except in complete servitude unto God, the Eternal Truth. Whoso hath tasted of its sweetness will refuse to barter it for all the dominion of earth and heaven." Bahá’u’lláh, Gleanings from the Writings of Bahá’u’lláh, p. 335

"True liberty consisteth in man's submission unto My commandments, little as ye know it." Bahá’u’lláh, Gleanings from the Writings of Bahá’u’lláh, p. 335

More here.

I voted no

Regards Tony

Your God doesn't talk to me.
So no advice to take.

 

[F1fan]

No one gets away with breaking God's Laws.

Right, you don't obey Muslim's version of God's laws. So you are indeed an infidel. You live your punishment, according to them. Or maybe the Mormons are correct in their version of God. Too bad believers have to rely on an absent God and must guess their way through the centuries via the texts of mortals.

We live our own punishments.

And you seem to do this well.

 

[TransmutingSoul]

Your God doesn't talk to me.
So no advice to take.

I see God always talks to us, in many ways, like the last post you responded to was such an opportunity, God's voice is now found in the Written Word.

It is a choice to listen.

Regards Tony

 

[TransmutingSoul]

Right, you don't obey Muslim's version of God's laws. So you are inded an infidel. Or maybe the Mormons are correct in their version of God. Too bad blievers have to rely on an absent God and must guess their way through the centuries.

And you seem to do this well.

Thank you for your concerns.

We only have to worry about our own self and our own actions.

Regards Tony

 

[F1fan]

Thank you for your concerns.

We only have to worry about our own self and our own actions.

Regards Tony

Why do you think we need to hear your beliefs when your absent God (assuming it exists) doesn't bother to communicate with mortals? It's almost as if you are a salesman for an unwanted product.

 

[Revoltingest]

I see God always talks to us, in many ways, like the last post you responded to was such an opportunity, God's voice is now found in the Written Word.

It is a choice to listen.

Regards Tony

Which written word?....Old Testament, New Testament,
Book Of Mormon, Golden Tablets, L Ron Hubbard's
words, Koran, The Vedas, Adi Granth, Bhagavad Gita,
Torah, etc?
And then whose interpretation of each of the many
scriptures?
There's no objective way to discern which is the singular
inerrant word of the claimed one God. As I see things,
you imagine the message you want, & then attribute it to
your God.
We both reject many messages attributed to various gods.
A difference between us: You reject just one fewer than I.

 

[Subduction Zone]

There is only One God. There is no compulsion in religions. That is a God given bounty.

As such, submission becomes a choice and it is in that submission that we can find true liberty.

Regards Tony

There are actually quite a few Gods. The problem is finding which God is the right God. For example a Jehovah's Witness will tell you that your God is not his God. So will almost any Muslim or Christian. Some of them will even do so violently at times.

How does a JW, or a Muslim, or even a Pastafarian check to see if his God is the right God or not?

 

[TransmutingSoul]

Why do you think we need to hear your beliefs when your absent God (assuming it exists) doesn't bother to communicate with mortals? It's almost as if you are a salesman for an unwanted product.

Why are you on a Religious Forum?

Regards Tony

 

[TransmutingSoul]

Which written word?....Old Testament, New Testament,
Book Of Mormon, Golden Tablets, L Ron Hubbard's
words, Koran, The Vedas, Adi Granth, Bhagavad Gita,
Torah, etc?
And then whose interpretation of each of the many
scriptures?
There's no objective way to discern which is the singular
inerrant word of the claimed one God. As I see things,
you imagine the message you want, & then attribute it to
your God.
We both reject many messages attributed to various gods.
A difference between us: You reject just one fewer than I.

There are actually quite a few Gods. The problem is finding which God is the right God. For example a Jehovah's Witness will tell you that your God is not his God. So will almost any Muslim or Christian. Some of them will even do so violently at times.

How does a JW, or a Muslim, or even a Pastafarian check to see if his God is the right God or not?

That the God given choice we get.

What is from God and what is from Men?

This is what life is all about.

Regards Tony

 

[Subduction Zone]

That the God given choice we get.

What is from God and what is from Men?

This is what life is all about.

Regards Tony

That is not much of an answer.

 

[TransmutingSoul]

That is not much of an answer.

If you are not considering God exists, there is nothing I can offer.

Peace be with you, regards Tony

 

[Subduction Zone]

If you are not considering God exists, there is nothing I can offer.

Peace be with you, regards Tony

I consider it quite often. There does not appear to be any valid reason to believe that God does exist. Let's say that a God exists. How does one find out which one is the right one?

 

[F1fan]

Why are you on a Religious Forum?

To demonstrate to believers that their beliefs are not as true and they believe. You get rattled quite often. You post confidently at first, which just invites critical thinker's input. Your posts often ride the line of proseyltizing. You seldom try to rebut criticisms. My question is why you are here if you don't intend to debate your views.

If you are not considering God exists, there is nothing I can offer.

This illustrates my point, you aren't here to debate, you are here for followers and/or converts.

Why not offer us evidence that we can consider and that your beliefs are true, or at least likley true?

 

[TransmutingSoul]

I consider it quite often. There does not appear to be any valid reason to believe that God does exist. Let's say that a God exists. How does one find out which one is the right one?

It is different for each individual, one must find their own path.

I think a key in this age, is a realisation that we are but one human race, that gives us a better chance of understanding what is God!

Science can aid us, how many sources does science beleive creation came from?

Regards Tony

 

[TransmutingSoul]

To demonstrate to believers that their beliefs are not as true and they believe. You get rattled quite often. You post confidently at first, which just invites critical thinker's input. Your posts often ride the line of proseyltizing. You seldom try to rebut criticisms. My question is why you are here if you don't intend to debate your views.

This illustrates my point, you aren't here to debate, you are here for followers and/or converts.

Why not offer us evidence that we can consider and that your beliefs are true, or at least likley true?

I will offer naught anybody offers rattles me, I can say it does give me sadness at times.

I am here to share, to offer and alternative view that is 100% a freewill choice.

Debate is only fruitful when we explore the truth. We can debate what we think a God given passage means, if the source of the passage is a Messenger from God.

We explore the truth they contain to a certain point, if debate becomes an arguement, it is much better to remain silent.

Regards Tony

 

[F1fan]

I will offer naught anybody offers rattles me, I can say it does give me sadness at times.

We can see it. You are sad because others don't accept your religious claims.

I am here to share, to offer and alternative view that is 100% a freewill choice.

And your claims are challeneged and you tend to leave instead of showing how your beliefs are true and your assumptions warranted.

Debate is only fruitful when we explore the truth. We can debate what we think a God given passage means, if the source of the passage is a Messenger from God.

You make two fantastic claims here that you can't show are true. We aren't going to assume a God exists, nor that there are messengers. These are what you need to demonstrate are true. This is the truth we are exploring. We aren't interested in assumptions.

We explore the truth they contain to a certain point, if debate becomes an arguement, it is much better to remain silent.

Has it occurred to you that if you really had the truth it would be easy for you to show us? You don't. You make claims, and then leave when we ask questions.

 

[Heyo]

I am here to share, to offer and alternative view that is 100% a freewill choice.

I see that but as I already pointed out, you have a funny way to do so.

When you say "submission is freedom" that is a statement that will incite opposition and as you've seen, you are incapable of debating that claim.

When you say "I believe that submission is freedom", it isn't a claim any more but just an opinion. You don't have to justify it as everybody has a right to such an opinion, no matter how wrong it is.

If you just want to share, as you say, the second method is the way to go.
If you want to preach, method one is what you use - and you should see the answers coming.