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Another nonanswer. It looks as if you are just making it up.
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It is available and it is very easy for me to show it, posted below.
You do not really ask questions, but I do acknowledge you use a ? Like the example above, you already have your preconceived answers, so the question was not really asked.
Here it is, the source of Truth to he pursued in this age, now it becomes your choice.
Caution ONLY pursue if Interested in God
Regards Tony
I do not have to make it up, the answers are given. I can quote about this topic until the cows come home. Here is but two.
"Since We have created you all from one same substance it is incumbent on you to be even as one soul, to walk with the same feet, eat with the same mouth and dwell in the same land, that from your inmost being, by your deeds and actions, the signs of oneness and the essence of detachment may be made manifest. Such is My counsel to you, O concourse of light! Heed ye this counsel that ye may obtain the fruit of holiness from the tree of wondrous glory." Bahá’u’lláh, The Arabic Hidden Words 68
"He said that man must recognize the oneness of humanity, for all in origin belong to the same household and all are servants of the same God. Therefore mankind must continue in the state of fellowship and love, emulating the institutions of God and turning away from satanic promptings, for the divine bestowals bring forth unity and agreement whereas satanic leadings induce hatred and war." ‘Abdu’l-Bahá, Bahá’í World Faith, p. 233
As I offered, the recognition of the Oneness of Humanity, could very well be the foundation to acceptance of the Oneness of God.
How many quotes on that would you like, there is thousands!
Regards Tony
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If you want to claim that as a source you would first need to show that it is reliable. It does not appear to be so. One can find religious books that will support almost any wrong doing by their followers. They only have to find a verse that says "God wanted it that way" and they think that they are justified.
Baha'u'llah asked us to determine if He was Trustworthy and Truthful.
I have done that and found He was. He had no reason to lie and it served no purpose to lie.
It is your choice to also find out if Baha'u'llah was Trustworthy and Truthful. Consider also, the purpose of the Message was to reform religion, to get it back on track to initiate a Most Great Peace amongst humanity. There was no self-interest in the Message.
Regards Tony
It is easy for anyone to post a link, but you failed to show us your religion has the truth. We don't care that YOU think you have the truth, we care whether you have evidence and a coherent explanation, and you have neither, as usual.
You have a set of assumptions that are not fact-based or warranted, and you make statements that are more like a sales pitch. So the criticism extends to your approach, not just what you write. As I noted, you have no interest in debate, you seem to the interested in trying to get followers or converts.
You have as much a huge problem as any otehr theist or any otehr religion, and that is that if you are going to refer to any God as if it is real you had better demonstrate that it actually exists. You will be stopped at that failure every time you state what your God is, or what it wants, or what it does, because all you can honestly say is that it's what you believe. If you can acknowledge that your God isn't known to exist, and all your religious statements acknowledge that it might not exist, then we can have a debate.
It's the Baha'i website, so of course it will make all the assumptions that critical thinkers have a problem with, and reject at face value, as there is no evidence. The thing you need to provide in order for your religious claims to be the truth is show your version of God exists. And we know you can't. So no truth is to be found on your website. It is dogma, that's all.
And if your site was really all that impressive there would be millions of people weekly acknowleding the truth. They aren't. Your link is no more persuasive than Scientology or the JW's.
From what I have read it's evidence that critical thinkers say "No".
As revealed in these debates believers make assumptions that justify belief, and that is due to a low standard for reasoning, and the self-serving intent to believe in some religious framework. Atheists are interested in truth. Theists are interested in belief.
There is no choice to trust a person who claims to be a messenger from God and then can't write any content that demonstrates the claim is true, or even likley true. Critical thinkers can't pretend that these texts are coherent and truthful.
Subduction Zone
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Since you cannot rationally support your beliefs the "I checked it out and it convinced me" claim falls flat. Perhaps you are correct, but with thousands upon thousands of God claims out there one more unsupported one is not very convincing.
You cannot rationally judge what I believe without knowing what detail Baha'u'llah offered and when it was offered.
I can say with 100% assurance, that what Baha'u'llah has written, will unfold. The evidence is recorded for all to read. Thus my beliefs are supported by what has been written.
The key here is, that Message does not need anyone to embrace it, that is entirly our loss, our choices.
So in the 1860's, Baha'u'llah set the requirement for the Lesser Peace after the rulers of the world refused the call to the Most Great Peace, and gave the first writings on disarmament.
"....Compose your differences and reduce your armaments, that the burden of your expenditures may be lightened, and that your minds and hearts may be tranquillized. Heal the dissensions that divide you, and ye will no longer be in need of any armaments except what the protection of your cities and territories demandeth. Fear ye God, and take heed not to outstrip the bounds of moderation and be numbered among the extravagant..."
Baha'u'llah gave further requirements before 1892, as did Abdul'baha after 1892 up to and after the first world war. That advice is yet to be heeded fully. Shoghi Effendi continued the warnings from 1921 until 1957 and gave great detail of what the 3rd conflict would inflict upon humanity.
It was at the Hague Peace Conferences in 1899 and 1907 that government delegations debated about disarmament and the creation of an international court with binding powers. Then after the 1st world war the League of Nations, and after the 2nd world war, the United Nations, both these also failed to implement the requirements.
All our choice to pursue. It's hard to pursue if people only want to reject it, before taking note of all the evidence.
Regards Tony
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No,, I can judge. I am not saying that your holy man failed. I will admit that I cannot rationally judge that. But when you make claims you take on a burden of proof. And I can judge that.
Sorry the burden is all yours, you are not able to transfer it to me. We are all responsible for our own actions and own efforts we make in knowing and Loving God, to the extent we live to our given potential in this life.
It's all yours to pursue, my part is to share and live.
Regards Tony
Subduction Zone
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No, sorry. That is not the way that it works in a discussion. That is not the way that it works in a religion unless you want to admit that your God is evil. Is your God evil? Right now it appears that you are trying to threaten others. A sure sign of an evil God.
I will leave you with your thoughts. Luckily God sets the rules for discussion and God asks us to leave them alone that do not wish to pursue the Truth for their own selves.
The 2nd Hidden Word.
2 O SON OF SPIRIT!
The best beloved of all things in My sight is Justice; turn not away therefrom if thou desirest Me, and neglect it not that I may confide in thee. By its aid thou shalt see with thine own eyes and not through the eyes of others, and shalt know of thine own knowledge and not through the knowledge of thy neighbor. Ponder this in thy heart; how it behooveth thee to be. Verily justice is My gift to thee and the sign of My loving-kindness. Set it then before thine eyes."
The Hidden Words | Bahá’í Reference Library
Regards Tony
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Sorry, but you do not get to claim that God did anything without massive evidence. And that always seems to be missing from theists. Far too many seem to share your views about their own version of God. If you cannot explain some of the huge problems with your version of God why do you think that anyone would be compelled to check him out? There are far too many others making similar claims. A person does not have multiple lifetimes to waste chasing down will-o'-the-wisps.
The people ****ing with families are those who seek to ban same-sex marriage.
Here are the two possibilities at play here:
- families headed by same-sex couples get the legal protections of marriage.
- families headed by same-sex couples still exist, but are denied the legal protections of marriage.
In no way does banning same-sex marriage help any family.
That is the domain of the Messenger, I am but a human as you are, I make no claim. The evidence was presented to you. You have not looked, yet still offer rejection.
As per the quoted Hidden Word, that is not Justice.
Regards Tony
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I only saw a claim. I do not remember seeing any evidence.
Unless Baha'u'llah himself logs in under your account and types your RF posts, you most certainly have made plenty of claims. The fact that you aren't the original source of your claims doesn't change this.
You've only presented more claims, not any evidence.
This is based on the Poll question and not the OP title, so I will continue.
The yes and no poll question.
"Religious Freedom" means the right to make others conform to your religious worldview."
I answered No to this poll question.
As such, no one is compelled to look at the evidence I presented, or even accept it is evidence.
I provided evidence for my replies from the source. I will supply the entire source of the evidence I draw upon again, in case you have missed it. This is the source of evidence I will use in all my replies.
Evidence that God has spoken to humanity
If you do not accept this as evidence of God speaking to humanity, I can say no more, as IMHO, it is the evidence.
I would ask, are you able to prove it is not evidence that God has spoken to us? Remember, that was asked with 100% no obligation for you to respond.
Regards Tony
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Using sources that have not been vetted is making claims. It is only evidence of what those messengers said. It does not support your ideas or claims.
As already offered vetting is up to you. This is plain and simple free will choice 101.
I already have vetted the Bab and Baha'u'llah and found they are trustworthy and truthful and what they offered did come from God. In that light, I share them.
So now we have again gone in a full circle.
Regards Tony