Respectful question.

[crossfire]

I just want to make sure that I have a good understanding of the Christian concept of Antinomianism.

Please correct any misunderstandings I have. Thank you in advance.

My understanding of antinomianism is that the Christian is guided by their Conscience, instead of by the Law of Moses. In this respect, it is quite important to safeguard ones conscience--you don't want to mess it up or corrupt it by practicing questionable things. (Hurting others and such will "sear or scar" ones conscience, making it less sensitive than it should be.) Forgiveness of self and others is a big part of keeping a clean conscience--even getting baptized is a petition for a clean conscience. Being guided by conscience means you have spiritual freedom in that you are no longer tied to the Laws of Moses. However, this does not mean that you are excused from the civil laws of the land. (You still have to pay your taxes and such, and not break laws that result in harming others, etc.)

Feeling bad because of a guilty conscience for something you did to hurt someone should be seen as a good thing, as it prompts you to make amends and not repeat that harmful behavior. (Those who do not prize feeling bad due to a guilty conscience do stuff like honor killings in an attempt to make the bad feeling go away. Those who do such things are desensitizing their conscience and corrupting it, rather than training it well and making it into a fine-tuned instrument.)

Personally, I think this is one of the finest teachings I have ever come across. Please let me know what I have incorrectly understood regarding antinomianism.

Thank you.

 

[David1967]

Sounds good to me. Ive never heard of the honor killing thing though.

 

[savagewind]

Sounds good to me. Ive never heard of the honor killing thing though.

You don't watch Criminal Minds. Do you?

 

[David1967]

You don't watch Criminal Minds. Do you?

No I don't. Anytime I have seen the term "honor killings" on the news it was in reference to a Muslim man in New York who killed his daughters for wearing western clothes. Doesn't mean it doesn't happen in some strange sect within Christianity, just haven't heard.

 

[savagewind]

I just want to make sure that I have a good understanding of the Christian concept of Antinomianism.

Please correct any misunderstandings I have. Thank you in advance.

My understanding of antinomianism is that the Christian is guided by their Conscience, instead of by the Law of Moses. In this respect, it is quite important to safeguard ones conscience--you don't want to mess it up or corrupt it by practicing questionable things. (Hurting others and such will "sear or scar" ones conscience, making it less sensitive than it should be.) Forgiveness of self and others is a big part of keeping a clean conscience--even getting baptized is a petition for a clean conscience. Being guided by conscience means you have spiritual freedom in that you are no longer tied to the Laws of Moses. However, this does not mean that you are excused from the civil laws of the land. (You still have to pay your taxes and such, and not break laws that result in harming others, etc.)

Feeling bad because of a guilty conscience for something you did to hurt someone should be seen as a good thing, as it prompts you to make amends and not repeat that harmful behavior. (Those who do not prize feeling bad due to a guilty conscience do stuff like honor killings in an attempt to make the bad feeling go away. Those who do such things are desensitizing their conscience and corrupting it, rather than training it well and making it into a fine-tuned instrument.)

Personally, I think this is one of the finest teachings I have ever come across. Please let me know what I have incorrectly understood regarding antinomianism.

Thank you.

I had never heard that word. I don't think it is the right word for what you posted because God's moral laws are forever and I should know about them. Where it works is that by keeping them I am not obligated to obey them each but I am obligated to obey love which in turn will cause an obeying law by [a word that does not exist in English - I can't find the word]

 

[savagewind]

No I don't. Anytime I have seen the term "honor killings" on the news it was in reference to a Muslim man in New York who killed his daughters for wearing western clothes. Doesn't mean it doesn't happen in some strange sect within Christianity, just haven't heard.

I do not think it is what she means. It is more likely that I am wrong, not right.
I think it means someone's own conscience feels bad about what he himself has done. Your example is a bad conscience by what someone else is doing.

 

[crossfire]

To clarify: the example of honor killings was not in reference to Christians. It was in reference to those who practice it in order to avoid shame...(which is supposed to be tied to a guilty conscience, but in honor killings the conscience is so seared/insensitive that "shame" is an external social stigma rather than an internal working of ones conscience.)

 

[savagewind]

To clarify: the example of honor killings was not in reference to Christians. It was in reference to those who practice it in order to avoid shame...(which is supposed to be tied to a guilty conscience, but in honor killings the conscience is so seared/insensitive that "shame" is an external social stigma rather than an internal working of ones conscience.)

Is the shame for what someone else does?

 

[crossfire]

Is the shame for what someone else does?

My understanding that shame is supposed to be an internal thing for ones own mind.

 

[crossfire]

So what is the term used for Christians not being subject to the Laws of Moses, but freed into the Law of Conscience? I might have the wrong term.

 

[savagewind]

My understanding that shame is supposed to be an internal thing for ones own mind.

I feel ashamed so I will cause someone else to suffer so that I can replace my shame with something else.
Honor killings are about getting rid of that which seems to be causing the shame and you are right. I think. that is externally determined.

 

[crossfire]

I feel ashamed so I will cause someone else to suffer so that I can replace my shame with something else.
Honor killings are about getting rid that which seems to be causing the shame and you are right. I think. that is externally determined.

Yeah, they are getting rid of their conscience.

 

[savagewind]

So what is the term used for Christians not being subject to the Laws of Moses, but freed into the Law of Conscience? I might have the wrong term.

I think it is called freedom. John 8:32 Romans 6:18 I am free but I am a slave. Matthew 13:12 A slave for more.

 

[savagewind]

I have a question for Christians. Why do you interpret what is written as "obey the law" and not "keep the law"?
To obey it means you serve it. To keep it means it serves you.

 

[crossfire]

I think it is called freedom. John 8:32 Romans 6:18 I am free but I am a slave. Matthew 13:12 A slave for more.

"Having the law written in your heart." What's the term for that? (Romans 2:14-15)

 

[savagewind]

"Having the law written in your heart." What's the term for that? (Romans 2:14-15)

Love. I think. I do not know the official term.

 

[First Baseman]

The Bible does not teach Antinomianism. I don't think too many Christians buy into Antinomianism.

 

[crossfire]

The Bible does not teach Antinomianism. I don't think too many Christians buy into Antinomianism.

So what is the term used for Christians being excused from the Law of Moses and being brought into the Law of Conscience? (Because I really like this teaching!)

 

[EtuMalku]

I just want to make sure that I have a good understanding of the Christian concept of Antinomianism.

Please correct any misunderstandings I have. Thank you in advance.

My understanding of antinomianism is that the Christian is guided by their Conscience, instead of by the Law of Moses. In this respect, it is quite important to safeguard ones conscience--you don't want to mess it up or corrupt it by practicing questionable things. (Hurting others and such will "sear or scar" ones conscience, making it less sensitive than it should be.) Forgiveness of self and others is a big part of keeping a clean conscience--even getting baptized is a petition for a clean conscience. Being guided by conscience means you have spiritual freedom in that you are no longer tied to the Laws of Moses. However, this does not mean that you are excused from the civil laws of the land. (You still have to pay your taxes and such, and not break laws that result in harming others, etc.)

Feeling bad because of a guilty conscience for something you did to hurt someone should be seen as a good thing, as it prompts you to make amends and not repeat that harmful behavior. (Those who do not prize feeling bad due to a guilty conscience do stuff like honor killings in an attempt to make the bad feeling go away. Those who do such things are desensitizing their conscience and corrupting it, rather than training it well and making it into a fine-tuned instrument.)

Personally, I think this is one of the finest teachings I have ever come across. Please let me know what I have incorrectly understood regarding antinomianism.

Thank you.

You should know better than to ask Christians about their own religion . . .
I believe what you are looking for may be termed Dispensation of Conscience and is one of the Seven Dispensations

 

[First Baseman]

So what is the term used for Christians being excused from the Law of Moses and being brought into the Law of Conscience? (Because I really like this teaching!)

Christians aren't excused from the Law of Moses. The "Law of Conscience" isn't a law at all. It is grace. St. Paul elaborated much about grace. To properly understand what Paul was talking about you would need to do an in depth study on his writings.

To try to sum it all up in one word won't cut it.