Respectful questions for understanding the LHP

[Orias]

And, so... there are no "manipulation junkies" in this DIR? I think I'd like to ask one of them a few questions =P

Attention seeking, manipulation...its all the same thing.

Anyways check this site out.

I scored a 58...but I don't really think the questions are all that great, since I see manipulation as a thing of indirectness as well as being direct.

Influence, manipulation, they are essentially interchangeable.

Hence magic and the literal ground that it holds (to the philosophical at least(well at least to a majority of the philosophical)).

 

[Mindmaster]

Attention seeking, manipulation...its all the same thing.

Anyways check this site out.

I scored a 58...but I don't really think the questions are all that great, since I see manipulation as a thing of indirectness as well as being direct.

Influence, manipulation, they are essentially interchangeable.

Hence magic and the literal ground that it holds (to the philosophical at least(well at least to a majority of the philosophical)).

For giggles I did this and got an 89. I guess I am a bad person to ask... my whole social structure is conceived around the fact that people attempt to manipulate me and I do it as well. Sometimes to mutual gain..

 

[Orias]

Heh, I think realistically I would score much higher...

But it did make me laugh as well.

Which is also why I like the similar minds site, though that site is a little more accurate and up to date.

 

[Mindmaster]

Heh, I think realistically I would score much higher...

But it did make me laugh as well.

Which is also why I like the similar minds site, though that site is a little more accurate and up to date.

As long as it isn't a facebook quiz...

 

[Orias]

Eww, no.

Personality Test Site

Under the site features are all a bunch of hyper links that all take you to the same page, so you don't have to worry about clicking through all of them.

 

[Adrift]

Pretty much, yeah.

Awesome, I didn't think there would be one here.

And relating to those tests... I'm gonna have a full day tomorrow.

 

[Orias]

For pleasure or business?

Or...for the business of pleasure...if you will.

 

[Adrift]

Pleasure, I suppose. I love personality tests.

My obsession with personality and psychology has been stuck on full blast lately, heh.

 

[Orias]

Me too.

Though I mind as well say, I don't the word "hedonism" much, as it is essentially essential and necessary.

 

[Adrift]

Hedonism is a belief system I know hardly anything about. I have an impression of it, but I wouldn't speak it. It's probably very far off.

 

[1137]

Hedonism is a belief system I know hardly anything about. I have an impression of it, but I wouldn't speak it. It's probably very far off.

I wouldn't call hedonism a belief system, to be honest.

 

[Adrift]

Like I said, I know nothing. I guess I was correct in assuming it is extremely simple?

 

[1137]

Like I said, I know nothing. I guess I was correct in assuming it is extremely simple?

Hedonism is simply the ethical philosophy that pleasure is the greatest good. I find it quite unevolved and immature, but I feel that way about LaVey as well

 

[Adrift]

Maybe some regard hedonism as the basis for their other beliefs, which they feel don't fit in to another belief system. *guessing*

 

[Orias]

I think if you see reality for what it is, all willing acts are done out of the desire to gratify.

 

[Adrift]

Is it essentially the basis of all LHP lifestyles, then? Or perhaps everyone's lifestyles?

 

[1137]

Maybe some regard hedonism as the basis for their other beliefs, which they feel don't fit in to another belief system. *guessing*

They can I suppose. Then you get LaVeyan Satanism.

Is it essentially the basis of all LHP lifestyles, then? Or perhaps everyone's lifestyles?

Definitely not. Hedonism is more ethical egoism than psychological. We naturally do things for ourselves. However, there is a difference between that and selfish hedonism. Helping others may make me feel good, but that is not hedonism.

 

[Orias]

Is it essentially the basis of all LHP lifestyles, then? Or perhaps everyone's lifestyles?

Hedonism is essentially a psychological paradigm that is set in a relatively unconscious aspect. Because for all purposes, an egotistical foresight may not always be apply to supply a reasonable outcome for their actions.

Though for the sake of most peoples life styles, they do not wish to seek pain. Others find pleasure in pain and vice versa.

It may seem immature, but its really no different than saying the Christian religion slaughtered and oppressed thousands for the sake of the "religions" own survival.

Of course though the similarities are irrelevant because the natural mind always seeks pleasure. Whether or not other people are involved is all a motion that is set forth by some type of psychological evaluation.

An interesting point on psychology I might add, there has yet to be any truly revealing psychological discovery, since testing is limited and the variables can sometimes be...unresourceful.

Xeper

 

[blackout]

Influence, manipulation, they are essentially interchangeable.

I find the art form of NOT allowing mySelf to be manipulated
far more useful and intreiging
than that of manipulating.

Manipulators are a dime a dozen,
and you find them on every path and road.

Manipulation is insidious and is called by so many other names...
(you may fill in the blanks)

Recognizing manipulation/manipulators/manipulative techniques
is invaluable to helping you understand other people's mindSets though.
You see all these things that already influence their view of "what is so"
and it is easier to become 'relatable' to them.
The more relatable you are,
the easier it is to reach and truly influence them/their thinking.
(hopefully in a positive and constructive way)

I mySelf do not mind being influenced by people and things of worth.

I seek never however, to allow mySelf to be manipulated.
My guard, as such, is always up.


*that said, it can be a bit of a sport, manipulating a skilled (or chronic) manipulor.
It can be a bit of a volley.
It's even a bit more fun when you sense they know, you know.

 

[Orias]

Of course, and the best way to learn defense is to learn offense.

Because in some aspects, the best offense is defense. Though neither really exist, they are just gears in our head. And there many paths leading up and down these gears, from the objective to the extremely intersubjective, but the circles always reflect one giant circle going in two different motions.

Martial law is not about defense or offense, but success.