Unveiled Artist
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Pride and humility. I can see that.
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Response: Do you think that Donald Trump is a Christian?
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Pride and humility. I can see that.
Unveiled Artist
Veteran Member
How on earth do you know that?
You know him personally to know if jesus washed away his sins?
Unveiled Artist
Veteran Member
Do you feel Trump's sins have been washed?
Why would that matter?
Unveiled Artist
Veteran Member
In order for the statement to have any validity she would have to know him and his conviction. We can judge Trump by his politics but not by his religion.
I meant why would the question of whether Jesus has "washed Trump's sins" factor into whether Trump is a Christian.
It seems like you're implying that Christianity would have to be correct for anyone to actually belong to it. Do you believe this for any other religions?
Unveiled Artist
Veteran Member
Oh. Because one is christian when one believes jesus washed away his or he sins. It's a conviction that one is saved by jesus' forgiveness rather than (in protestant cases) the result of one's actions.
I'm not sure what you mean. Christianity would have to be correct for anyone to actually belong to it?
I'm saying for one to be christian, they make a conviction that jesus is their lord and savior. What they do is the result of their conviction not the determination of whether the conviction is accurate. Only the person and their god knows. Trump, John, and Jane included.
All religions have criteria for followers to be initiated and considered that said faith. Many more flexible than others.
The largest Christian denomination on the planet believes otherwise, but whatever.
If Christianity is false, then Jesus isn't "washing away" anyone's sins.
You didn't mention anything about "conviction" until this post. And again: the largest Christian denomination on the planet has different ideas about what is needed to be initiated as a Christian.
Unveiled Artist
Veteran Member
Actually, they don't. All christian demoni believe to be saved you need to accept jesus. When you accept jesus he forgives your sins. Once forgive you're at one with god.
"Wash sins" means forgiven. OT correlation to the "blood of the Lamb" and sacrificial meal you see in the catholic church.
It's fundamentalist language. Catholics say repentence and communion.
Unveiled Artist
Veteran Member
Whether christianity is true or not is irrelevent. It's just what they teach. You believe. You sinned accept jesus. You're forgiven. You're saved.
Conviction means confirmation. It's asking jesus to be lord. It's the last part of RCIA initiation and within the creed.
JW only one I "think" doesn't have verbal conviction. It's in scripture.
Right or wrong that's the dogma. If Trump said he is christian he believes jesus forgave him of his sins. Fundamentalist call it "washed by the blood of jesus". Catholics don't use those terms. It's all the same. JW I don't know.
And how does God think?
The ministers do a head job on politicians. If you let them, they'll anoint you and call you chosen of God to do this and that. I remember seeing them annointing Pres. Trump or at least 'Laying hands' on him which is the same rite, though they wouldn't call it a rite. No doubt they messed with his head.
metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
Only for some Protestants, as some other Protestant denominations, along with Catholics and Orthodox, do teach that moral actions are essential per what Jesus and the apostles actually taught, such as what's said in Jesus' Parable of the Sheep & Goats [Matthew 25] and the Sermon On the Mount.
Unveiled Artist
Veteran Member
Protestants (fundamentalist type) say that actions aren't what saves you only faith. They do believe jesus' moral actions is a must but their view is they are a result from salvation not the means of and criteria to be saved.
Goddess Kit
Active Member
Trump has never bothered to refer to himself under a particular religious label, so far as I know, and he probably golfs on Sundays.
metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
I'm glad you clarified your position on this with qualifying that it deals with more the "fundamentalist type".
I grew up in one of those churches but left in my mid-60's because of their anti-science position, the ToE especially, plus there was a serious problem with racism as well at that church.
metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
Maybe he's seeking a holy-in-one?
Unveiled Artist
Veteran Member
Oooh. Yeah. Racism. But you're welcome. I realized awhile ago not all protestants are fundamentalists. So, I thought that would help.
metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
It was back in the 1960's, and what happened at my former church was that a black couple sat in the back and the ushers didn't know what to do. The church council at their next meeting brought this up and decided that they wouldn't ask black people/families to leave but that they wouldn't go out of their way to make them feel comfortable either.
I mentioned this to the pastor, and he agreed it was a sin, but he refused to say anything about this to the congregation and said if he gave a sermon on that probably about 1/3 of the congregation would leave. My wife and I then told him that unless he did that we would not be back. From that point on, we went to the local Catholic church that had no such problem of accepting blacks in.
Unveiled Artist
Veteran Member
Wow. I think the only negative thing I experienced in the catholic church was that the priest yelled at me when I asked if he was okay in confession. He fell asleep. It had more to do with him being human rather than catholism. But I have never ever experienced racism in the church.