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Restaurant bans screaming kids

Smoke

Done here.
i don't like to humiliate them; i do explain to them why i removed them, but not in a public venue. :)
I think that's good. The only thing worse than screaming kids is screaming parents smacking their kids around. When you see parents overreacting like that, it gives you a pretty good idea why their kids are out of control.

I don't think any reasonable person expects kids to behave all the time, and anybody who says he behaved all the time when he was a kid is a liar. It's all in how the parents handle it.
 

Smoke

Done here.
Give kids a break, already.
I'm for that, but the reason they're acting out in the restaurant is they don't want to be there in the first place. Pack some peanut butter sandwiches and apples, take them to the park, and let them tear around there for a while.
 

dust1n

Zindīq
I'm for that, but the reason they're acting out in the restaurant is they don't want to be there in the first place. Pack some peanut butter sandwiches and apples, take them to the park, and let them tear around there for a while.

Perhaps that is best for such a kid, but if any restaurant around here put that sign up, I would avoid it. Parents can't be SOLELY responsible for random outbursts from kids (which, last time I checked, was about as natural as it gets), especially in emotional pretenses. Kicking a family out just means the embarrassed parents will discipline their children for 'feeling things'.

Look, I hate a crying baby as much as the next person, but I've learned to just accept that babies and toddlers cry, act spontaneously, etc. as I once did and take a deep breathe and be thankful I'm even at an eating establishment in the first place. I've never been a traditional eatery and seen parents let their kids run around like monkeys anyways. Hell, the places where both consumers and producers allow kids to roam within the cafe or whatnot and interact with one another actually seem to keep the kids stimulated and well-behaved.

This is just an example of upper-middle class ******* thinking the entire world operates around their convenience. They are more childish than the children, if you ask me.
 

MysticSang'ha

Big Squishy Hugger
Premium Member
Well, I wouldn't go that far. :D

I'd go to that restaurant with my husband or our kids who are now preteen and teens. And I really wouldn't think anything of it.

See, I look at it this way....screaming kids is like being naked in public. There isn't anything really wrong with either (and neither gets my panties in a twist) but a lot of folks are really really bothered by it.

It's a cultural thing. Big deal. I just roll with it. :p
 

Reverend Rick

Frubal Whore
Premium Member
if any restaurant around here put that sign up, I would avoid it

It's all good. dust1n, if you wanted to have a quiet romantic dinner, I highly doubt you would go to Chucky Cheese. There are restaurants for children. These places have a play land and changing stations.

There are places for rowdy adults like sports bars.

There should be places where adults can have a quiet dinner as well.
 

Kathryn

It was on fire when I laid down on it.
I have a customer who has cerebral palsy. This condition makes him very spastic and it makes his speech very, VERY difficult to understand. Also - because of his condition, and probably also because of his frustration, he yells everything that he says. He is confined to a wheelchair.

Every transaction with him is very, very slow and very nervewracking. That being said, I applaud him for living as independently as possible, and I am very impressed with his ability to get out and about and handle his own business. VERY impressed.

But - he has some responsibility in this whole scenario. Would it be wise of him to come to the bank on a payday, to get in the teller line during lunchtime on a Friday, when ten guys in mud covered steel toed boots are there on their lunchbreak trying to take care of their banking business in the little bit of free time they have that day?

No - it wouldn't be wise, and it wouldn't be thoughtful of him if it is at all avoidable - which in his case it is, because he doesn't work. In fact, I think it would be WRONG of him to do this, considering the fact that even the simplest transaction with him takes much longer than with most other people - and he knows this.

For the record - he doesn't do this. He generally waits to come to the bank during slower hours. I applaud him for this as well. He is thoughtful of the needs of others, even though he has special needs himself.

My point is this - just because someone has special needs doesn't mean that they shouldn't alter their behavior and expectations by considering the needs of others as well. It's a two way street.

If you have small children who are prone to loud behavior, don't take them to a fancy restaurant on a weekend night. If your kids are energetic and loud, consider the possibility that for a short period in your life you will need to limit the time and money you spend in restaurants that are geared toward quiet, peaceful dining.

Most days, I don't eat inside at McDonalds that have the inside playground, and I don't eat at Chucky Cheese - because those places are geared toward families with small kids and are full of loud, screaming, energetic and very joyful little tykes. It would be unreasonable of me to expect the environment to be anything BUT loud and full of rambunctious kids.

However, that's where I take my little grandkids when they're with me, and suddenly I am enjoying that environment - the same environment that would set my teeth on edge at any other time.

Be thoughtful people - that's the bottom line. Most people who are eating in most restaurants do not want their meal disturbed by your little darlings - or mine. Take your kids to more kid friendly restaurants till they are well behaved enough to be a joy rather than a burden to strangers.

And grownups - be tolerant of reasonable kid wiggling and giggling. Smile at the little sweetie who peeks at you around the back of the booth. Be patient when the same child cries when he spills his drink.

And parents - if he KEEPS crying - do your parental duty and take him out of the room till he calms down. If he won't calm down, sacrifice your own dinner rather than expecting others to sacrifice theirs. Take him home. It's obvious he doesn't want to be there!
 

dust1n

Zindīq
It's all good. dust1n, if you wanted to have a quiet romantic dinner, I highly doubt you would go to Chucky Cheese.

I didn't realize it was a choice between the restaurant with the sign and Chucky Cheese.

There are restaurants for children. These places have a play land and changing stations.

I've been to a Chucky Cheese before, rick.

There are places for rowdy adults like sports bars.

Ok.

There should be places where adults can have a quiet dinner as well.

Sure. I'd just rather go to any of the places where I can get a quiet dinner that doesn't have that sign up, not that a quiet atmosphere is necessary for me to be enjoying myself in a romantic situation anyways. It's just a rude sign. Obnoxious, even.
 

blackout

Violet.
A private establisment is well within their rights to create whatever ambiance they want.

(which is why smoking should be at the owners discression... but that is a whole nother subject)

I for one need as much calm/quiet/peace as I can get,
which is why I spend most of my time locked away in my purple tower.

(only my problem is not chidren)
 
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Reverend Rick

Frubal Whore
Premium Member
Sure. I'd just rather go to any of the places where I can get a quiet dinner that doesn't have that sign up, not that a quiet atmosphere is necessary for me to be enjoying myself in a romantic situation anyways. It's just a rude sign. Obnoxious, even.

You know dust1n, there could be a more tactful way of getting the message across to folks. I agree, it is a rude sign.

But then again, children should already be fed and in bed by the time most romantic dinners are served. I believe it is also rude not to employ a baby sitter when a young couple goes out for a late evening dinner.

People with children should read the subtle hints when a resturant does not have a baby changing station or a children's menu and realize their children are not welcome unless they are well behaved.

I know this comes as a shock to many clueless folks, but their screaming baby or unruly children are not looked upon with the same adoration as their parents.

The same thing goes for loud and obnoxious adults. Having a lack of respect for others ambiance is just as rude.
 

Nerthus

Wanderlust
I saw this on Facebook earlier, and I will respond the same way:

Give kids a break, already.

I love seeing kids happy and playing and also appreciate that they will cry and scream at times. But, that shouldn't mean that everyone else should put up with it all the time. I was out a few weeks ago, it was a fairly expensive restaurant and the beginning of the night was ruined by a screaming toddler and his mother who did nothing and didn't seem to care about the other people around who were trying to have a nice afternoon.

Children will scream, but parents shouldn't just avoid doing anything about it.
 

blackout

Violet.
It may seem like an affront to parents,
but honestly
especially us MOMs
need time away from children as well.

It's important to our sanity.

If I could go out (for my own sake),
(and I can't because of... yes... children...
and their father who can't be counted on to watch them...
and probably actively tries to keep me from going out besides...)
I'd probably go somewhere 21 and over by law anyway.
But still even a meal without children around
(for no other "adult" reasons)
is a nice and necessary thing sometimes.

Too much time around children
as practically the sole care giver is too much.
And it's worse when your children are real young.
(which mine thankfully are not)

Anyway, I have 3 children, and I do not find this insulting in the least.
 

Nerthus

Wanderlust
It may seem like an affront to parents,
but honestly
especially us MOMs
need time away from children as well.

It's important to our sanity.

I can imagine. I see mothers with three children under the age of five, and really wonder how they do it! Must be very challenging at times.

I hope you find some time for yourself :)
 

blackout

Violet.
I can imagine. I see mothers with three children under the age of five, and really wonder how they do it! Must be very challenging at times.

I hope you find some time for yourself :)

After my divorce,
I'll have a lifetime away from the biggest child of them all.

He's the one that really wears me out
and runs me down. :(

My children are really great.
Lots of fun & very loving.
For the most part,
they actually bring me most of my peace and happiness.

Wendy's at home with a library DVD and my kids
is generally how we "go out".

(they're all over age 6 now)
 
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dust1n

Zindīq
You know dust1n, there could be a more tactful way of getting the message across to folks. I agree, it is a rude sign.

:D

But then again, children should already be fed and in bed by the time most romantic dinners are served. I believe it is also rude not to employ a baby sitter when a young couple goes out for a late evening dinner.

People with children should read the subtle hints when a resturant does not have a baby changing station or a children's menu and realize their children are not welcome unless they are well behaved.

I know this comes as a shock to many clueless folks, but their screaming baby or unruly children are not looked upon with the same adoration as their parents.

The same thing goes for loud and obnoxious adults. Having a lack of respect for others ambiance is just as rude.

I won't disagree with any of this. Most of these things are taken into consideration by most parents anyways. I've never seen a parent encourage of passively ignore their child's cries or what have you, but even if one did it is important to realize that everything a kid cries is not because a parent is being particularly a bad parent. Their are random and unpredictable kids... give parents a chance to calm them down.

Now if a parent just has a complete disregard for the ambiance of others, well by all means... they can be asked to leave. The sign was never even necessary; it's more of a marketing tool than anything.
 

dust1n

Zindīq
I love seeing kids happy and playing and also appreciate that they will cry and scream at times. But, that shouldn't mean that everyone else should put up with it all the time. I was out a few weeks ago, it was a fairly expensive restaurant and the beginning of the night was ruined by a screaming toddler and his mother who did nothing and didn't seem to care about the other people around who were trying to have a nice afternoon.

Children will scream, but parents shouldn't just avoid doing anything about it.

Agreed. Someone who is just completely apathetic about their children disturbing every single customer getting removed due to the noise is understandable.

I just don't like the sign.
 
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