Resurrection and Duplication

[LightofTruth]

In that case it is a copy, and all is lost for you as an individual.

A copy, how so?
On the one hand we have a mortal nature, and on the other we have an immortal nature. The immortal nature is the one to be preferred. Unless of course, you don't want to live.
I rather like the idea of having unimaginable and unending joy and happiness in the presence of my Maker.

 

[rational experiences]

Science in a rational explanation to human self.

When you nuclear reacted earth mass by machine. Earth by heart core released hot gases releasing original sin.

Satan and God seal angel gone. Holes what you invented a point to convert mass opened.

Science man invented his own sin removal.

He lived stood upon the body sin.

History warning to human man liar knowing he is lying but does it anyway. One of our own human teachings.

We lived owning healthy highest life.

God released hot gas radiation.

Water evaporates. We lose use of water. Oxygen. And microbiome energy used in bio cell production.

Ground water mass splits off ground

Meanwhile ice melts. Puts back water mass

Signs satanic science deceit. Earth floods constantly to cool irradiation effect. One of gods natural laws.

Life gets health sacrificed.
Life's gains satanic phenomena attack.

Why Satanists tried to preach we began life with an evil spirit when a very healthy human was attacked.

What sophist coercive word use was.....a cunning contrivance. As a scientist healthy human owning human parents. In full knowledge of human advice.

Human bio presence one whole bio life body after an ape. An ape is not evil nor Satan or an alien.

 

[rational experiences]

A copy, how so?
On the one hand we have a mortal nature, and on the other we have an immortal nature. The immortal nature is the one to be preferred. Unless of course, you don't want to live.
I rather like the idea of having unimaginable and unending joy and happiness in the presence of my Maker.

Father man quote to my female life.

Brother not a scientist believes my father man memories of God. God by my father loves me spiritual man .. never harmed me.

Female life holy father holy mother holy brother self advice greater than brother scientist using spirit human father memories lied.

Living heavenly human lives living and deceased. Recorded.

Says brother healthy.

Evolving life body re developed science memory

Moses life DNA exited became ape mutated man.

Today owns living memory using memories lying

Time shift.

Time same gases burning vacuum constant versus sun time nuclear mass shift equalled ape man life use memory.

His mind quoted healthy make sane science man today

I time shifted without losing current healthy man life.

Yet he never time shifted dust nuclear did.

How a self possesed science man recorded life memory lies to itself by self possession incident science.

Claim today. I can time shift God mass and man self and not change. Using man life science falsified memories.

Thinking only not fact.

Looking back owns memories that falsified knowledge.

Another God human man warning.
His story.
Healthy man first no science.
Healthy man used science.
Became mutated exodus man.
Exodus man healed returned.

Thinks he survived nuclear time shift in one moment yet it was thousands of years evolution.

Says thousand years in one day warning advice memory consciousness lost reality

 

[LightofTruth]

Father man quote to my female life.

Brother not a scientist believes my father man memories of God. God by my father loves me spiritual man .. never harmed me.

Female life holy father holy mother holy brother self advice greater than brother scientist using spirit human father memories lied.

Living heavenly human lives living and deceased. Recorded.

Says brother healthy.

Evolving life body re developed science memory

Moses life DNA exited became ape mutated man.

Today owns living memory using memories lying

Time shift.

Time same gases burning vacuum constant versus sun time nuclear mass shift equalled ape man life use memory.

His mind quoted healthy make sane science man today

I time shifted without losing current healthy man life.

Yet he never time shifted dust nuclear did.

How a self possesed science man recorded life memory lies to itself by self possession incident science.

Claim today. I can time shift God mass and man self and not change. Using man life science falsified memories.

Thinking only not fact.

Looking back owns memories that falsified knowledge.

Another God human man warning.
His story.
Healthy man first no science.
Healthy man used science.
Became mutated exodus man.
Exodus man healed returned.

Thinks he survived nuclear time shift in one moment yet it was thousands of years evolution.

Says thousand years in one day warning advice memory consciousness lost reality

Far out man.

 

[danieldemol]

A copy, how so?

Have you ever seen the movie Oblivion starring Tom Cruise where the Tet clones the central actor and replaces him with a clone having the exact replica of his memories?

In my opinion your god is a bit like the Tet. It destroys you and replaces you with a clone.

In case you are not familiar with Oblivion see my robot analogy here:

Can a JW please answer this one question, pretty please?

On the one hand we have a mortal nature, and on the other we have an immortal nature. The immortal nature is the one to be preferred. Unless of course, you don't want to live.
I rather like the idea of having unimaginable and unending joy and happiness in the presence of my Maker.

I believe I'll have unending joy without the need for a body.

 

[LightofTruth]

I believe I'll have unending joy without the need for a body.

Did you learn that idea from somewhere?
Some specific teaching.

 

[Samael_Khan]

Sounds rather like restoring a cloud backup, not necessarily to the same device.

Yeah. Reminds me of Altered Carbon in which people's personalities are backed on a hard drive in space.

 

[Samael_Khan]

A soul is merely a persons personality?

Depends on what you believe. But in this thread I am focusing mainly on personality.

 

[Samael_Khan]

upgrade?

Upgrade yes, but would what I am describing be considered a resurrection s according to the Bible?

 

[Samael_Khan]

Recreation?

Not duplication in the case memory is different from the original. Not resurrection since Jesus was resurrected and with body walked out of the tomb.

Yes, it seems like a recreation to me.

 

[Samael_Khan]

The Scripture uses sleep as an analogy for the dead who will rise again. When Lazarus was dead, all of his brain activity ceased. Jesus said Lazarus was sleeping and that he was dead. But when he was raised from the dead(awoken from his sleep of death) he was the same person.

So was his personality gone and it was stored somewhere else, or was it just stopped at death and functioned again after it was switched on, much like a machine?

 

[Samael_Khan]

I don't think brain activity ceases when we sleep.

This is a very good point that I never thought of before. The sleeping person is still conscious and often dreams.

 

[Samael_Khan]

If its the same information in the same body its possibly a ressurection, but in a new body it is just a copy.

But the bodies of people from thousands of years ago are mostly all returned to plant matter and recycled. Then there are those who are cremated etc. Then there is what I assume to be fact - that the same chemicals would be subject to the same process of decomposition that causes death in the first place.

So it doesn’t make sense in my opinion for the same physical body to be brought back to life.

Resurrecting could be akin to Jurassic Park where they take the DNA and clone the being. I don't know.

So if the information is offloaded into a spiritual body, would that be a copy?

 

[Samael_Khan]

If the information is merely imprinted on the regenerated body, does that mean the person doesn't have even a non-permanent soul?

Yep. There is no soul that survives death.

 

[Samael_Khan]

Maybe the person is grabbed from the past just at time of death? Then they experience no waiting and rather than being destroyed and restored they are simply healed. Convenient!

Ah! So time travel. So to them it would be like no time has passed.

 

[danieldemol]

Did you learn that idea from somewhere?
Some specific teaching.

A moment ago you were trying to tell me that having my identity destroyed was a pleasant idea. Is this shifting of the goal posts to source of ideas a subconscious acknowledgement that having one's identity destroyed is not the most pleasant option imaginable?

My source is external to the Bible and it is something I am rather proud of it since what makes you *you* won't survive either way whether your proposed afterlife is true or not.

 

[danieldemol]

Resurrecting could be akin to Jurassic Park where they take the DNA and clone the being. I don't know.

You are spot on, the original individual ceases to exist and is replaced by a clone

So if the information is offloaded into a spiritual body, would that be a copy?

Yes, information has no inherent life of its own.

 

[Samael_Khan]

You are spot on, the original individual ceases to exist and is replaced by a clone

Yes, information has no inherent life of its own.

Cool. We agree.

 

[Harel13]

Scenario:

- The personality of a person doesn't survive death (the soul isn't immortal)
- God retains the information of that persons personality in his memory.
- God imprints that information of the person's personality, which is stored in his memory, on the person's regenerated body or a new body at a later stage after they have died.

Would that be considered a resurrection or a duplication?
Might that dichotomy be false?

Duplication. I've always thought that the problem with cloning in fiction is that the clone is often portrayed as being the exact same person but in a new body. It's not. The core of the person is the soul, and if that's not transferred, then what you have here is a physically identical being, but inherently not identical. Or, I guess if you don't believe in souls, then one person's chemicals are not another's chemicals.

 

[Samael_Khan]

Duplication. I've always thought that the problem with cloning in fiction is that the clone is often portrayed as being the exact same person but in a new body. It's not. The core of the person is the soul, and if that's not transferred, then what you have here is a physically identical being, but inherently not identical. Or, I guess if you don't believe in souls, then one person's chemicals are not another's chemicals.

Agreed. I would say that the true person is their personality, as implanting another personality in that same body would mean that it is the other person.