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Revelation Explained
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adilrockstar
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BM5 said:
You tell me...is that what I claimed??
I am offering my view. I never claimed to be anything.
Comprehend
Res Ipsa Loquitur
adilrockstar said:
Adil, thanks for answering all of those questions. I think your answers are interesting. You said before that the spirit was giving you these answers? was that your source for the answers you gave me?
adilrockstar
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nutshell said:
12 x 12 x 100 symbolizing completeness.
adilrockstar
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comprehend said:
I have researched it, I have changed some of the interpretations to fit what my Spirit is telling me. Alot of it is from research and alot of it cannot be found through research. And also I have been calling my Pastor for some of the answers. I am doing everything in my power to give the truth. I will use any avenue that is in my grasp.
God Bless
Adil
Hi adil, in my studies of the scriptures, and the reading of a number of commentaries from learned theologians and bible students, who each were led by the Holy Spirit (so they wrote), yet, their interpretations varied from one another. Therefore, it is my strong belief that the truth of any subject or book of the Bible, must be determined from what the scriptures say. And by "scriptures", I mean as close to the literal, accurate meaning as possible.
First of all, I would disagree with many views that Revelation, cronologically, started soon after John penned it. The book is a prophecy (1:3) yet to be fulfilled. Why? Because John tells us he "was in spirit in the Lord's day" (1:10) CV, which is another way of saying "the day of the Lord", the emphasis being on "day", for that is where John, in spirit, is taken. We know "the day of the Lord" is referred to many times in the OT, always aligned with the wrath of God.
Next, the book is Jewish in all aspects. It balances the prophecies of Daniel, and his seventieth week (years). But, you may say, there are the seven churches. What about them? OK, "church" is merely an interpretation of "ecclesia", meaning "called out ones". It can be used of any assembly of people, including a synagogue. In fact, some versions use the word "assembly" in all the places in the NT.
Paul, our teacher, says we, the church/body of Christ, have been justified; we are sealed with the Holy Spirit who makes its home in us; we are in God's mind, raised with Christ; and we will some day be caught away to meet the Lord in the air, to enoy the blessings prepared for us in the heavenlies. Our future is not in the Messianic kingdom on earth. (see Eph. ch.2-4).
What I've said doesn't go into all the metaphors and symbols used in Rev., but a good rule is, take it literally unless it is obviously a figure or symbol, and then read on to see if the figure is explained.
Bick
First of all, I would disagree with many views that Revelation, cronologically, started soon after John penned it. The book is a prophecy (1:3) yet to be fulfilled. Why? Because John tells us he "was in spirit in the Lord's day" (1:10) CV, which is another way of saying "the day of the Lord", the emphasis being on "day", for that is where John, in spirit, is taken. We know "the day of the Lord" is referred to many times in the OT, always aligned with the wrath of God.
Next, the book is Jewish in all aspects. It balances the prophecies of Daniel, and his seventieth week (years). But, you may say, there are the seven churches. What about them? OK, "church" is merely an interpretation of "ecclesia", meaning "called out ones". It can be used of any assembly of people, including a synagogue. In fact, some versions use the word "assembly" in all the places in the NT.
Paul, our teacher, says we, the church/body of Christ, have been justified; we are sealed with the Holy Spirit who makes its home in us; we are in God's mind, raised with Christ; and we will some day be caught away to meet the Lord in the air, to enoy the blessings prepared for us in the heavenlies. Our future is not in the Messianic kingdom on earth. (see Eph. ch.2-4).
What I've said doesn't go into all the metaphors and symbols used in Rev., but a good rule is, take it literally unless it is obviously a figure or symbol, and then read on to see if the figure is explained.
Bick
BruceDLimber
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And for those who'd like to see the Baha'i understanding of the prophecies in the Book of Revelation, I commend you to:
www.bahai-library.org
at which, under "Books," you can read Apocalypse Unsealed or The Apocalypse (both by Robert Rioggs), which are both several hundred pages long and provide a verse-by-verse interpretation and explanation of these prophecies.
Good hunting!
Bruce
www.bahai-library.org
at which, under "Books," you can read Apocalypse Unsealed or The Apocalypse (both by Robert Rioggs), which are both several hundred pages long and provide a verse-by-verse interpretation and explanation of these prophecies.
Good hunting!
Bruce
adilrockstar
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Bick said:
You have it figured out for yourself. You obviously don't need my help.
God Bless
Adil
yippityyak
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When you started this thread you said that you would be guided by the Holy Spirit to give the answers that everyone was looking for.
Then you go on to say that these are your truths, take it or leave it. So are you telling the truth or not? I am almost certain that God says in the Bible that his word should not be changed or altered to suite anyone. I am almost 100% sure that is correct. Would you not then be going against what he has COMMANDED you not to do?
When you started this thread, i think it would have been wise to assume that people who are not of the same faith as you (and even some who are), would be upset or would become irritated with your answers. That is to be expected from people who dont know what they believe, or who have different beliefs to you. This thread should be about answers to peoples questions. It should not be about trying to look the best and trying to convince everyone that Christianity is the best religion. This is not what we are here for. We are here to make an informed decision about which religion we would like to belong to, or wether the religion we belong to presently is the right one.
Without this being a personal attack, all i can hear in your responses is arrogance and a definate cry that Christianity is the best, and no other way. God also teaches about understanding and compassion and considerate of others. He doesnt say go out there and personally attack and force others to change their religion.
All I am saying, and I am saying this with as little personal attack as possible, is that I dont want to be badgered into believing something if I dont have a reasonable explanation for what I am believing.
Thank you, nonetheless, for taking the time to offer your explanations.
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adilrockstar
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yippityyak said:
I said "take it or leave it" because you don't have to accept my view. It was out of respect for other views.
I have not altered the word. I have given what I accept as the meaning of the word. I could care less if it "suites" anyone.
This thread is about "answering peoples questions" read the OP.
I am not convincing anyone that Christianity is "the best Reiligion", I am just answering questions about Revelation. Again read the OP.
You call me "arrogant", you are wrong. I am offering my view. I said take it or leave it. Giving everyone the option to take it as truth or false.
You do not have to visit this thread.
God Bless
Adil
adilrockstar
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MaddLlama said:
They represent the judgment of God.
White=victory
Red=warfare and bloodshed
Black=famine
Pale Green=death
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angellous_evangellous
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adilrockstar said:
How did you come to these conclusions?
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angellous_evangellous
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adilrockstar said:
1) What are the best five commentaries on the book of Revelation?
2) How was the book interpreted by the church fathers?
3) How did the book get into the canon?
4) How does dispensationalism fit into the historical interpretation of the text?
5) What is the relationship of Revelation to Jewish and Christian apocalyptic, both biblical and extra-biblical?
6) What is a metaphor?
7) What is the relationship between Revelation and Greek plays?
I would welcome specific answers, but generalizations are fine.
adilrockstar
Active Member
angellous_evangellous said:
Nice try. If you don't need any help with this subject, then don't ask me for any. I will not entertain your questions.
God Bless
Adil
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angellous_evangellous
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adilrockstar said:
I do need help. I really don't know the answers to these questions... I suspect that you don't, either. And if you don't, you have no business answering any questions about the book.
Unless, of course, you caution that you are merely sounding your uninformed opinions, which is perfectly acceptable here.
adilrockstar
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nutshell said:
Angels that fell from Heaven with Satan, that became His demons.