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RF's on Islam
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YmirGF
Bodhisattva in Recovery
I don't mean to dig up any wounds, Frankie, but I've probably looked into Islam deeper than most here on RF and I can't say I found much beauty therein. What are a few things you thought of as being beautiful? @Saint Frankenstein
Signed,
Perplexed in Paradise
Kuzcotopia
If you can read this, you are as lucky as I am.
I picked "other." This is like the fourth thread from you that imagines some kind of oppression, wether it's about Christmas or Islamaphobia.
If your ideas are bad or silly, prepared to reap disagreement. It happens.
If your ideas are bad or silly, prepared to reap disagreement. It happens.
I am not against all religions but I also don't believe in gods. So I'm not interested in converting to Islam.
psychoslice
Veteran Member
Yes I read Quran with an open mind, but it left me numb, I could feel any love, it might be me, I'm sure a Muslim would say that ?.
A few "cliff" notes:
Islam is one of the great world religions.
After reading translations of the Quran which disagree with each other, I agree with the contention that one has to read the Quran in Arabic to read it accurately.
I found many Hadiths to be as kind and loving as the statements of Jesus, Krishna or Buddha.
Any Muslim who greats me with "Peace", I will respond "Peace". Any Muslim who responds "Peace" when I great him or her with "Peace" I take as a real Muslim.
A too large minority today do not represent the true spirit of Islam but its utter perversion into evil.
Islam is one of the great world religions.
After reading translations of the Quran which disagree with each other, I agree with the contention that one has to read the Quran in Arabic to read it accurately.
I found many Hadiths to be as kind and loving as the statements of Jesus, Krishna or Buddha.
Any Muslim who greats me with "Peace", I will respond "Peace". Any Muslim who responds "Peace" when I great him or her with "Peace" I take as a real Muslim.
A too large minority today do not represent the true spirit of Islam but its utter perversion into evil.
Kelly of the Phoenix
Well-Known Member
The news loves sensationalism, though, unless (especially if it's in the US) it's about Christianity. Christians can't be terrorists, only misinformed or mentally ill or something. At least, that is what the news says.
psychoslice
Veteran Member
Yes its a hard one, but there seems to be a lot of murdering going on in the name of their god, so ?.
Kelly of the Phoenix
Well-Known Member
I question, though, whether it's about their god or about imperialism and such things. Remember, the media need to view certain people as backward ... as long as it's "other" people. Some Christian redneck beheads his wife and he's just "ill" and no one ever mentions his religion. A Muslim could kill a pickpocket and it's all about Allah in the news.
edit:
As has been noted elsewhere on the internet:
White people/Christians (because they're synonymous, apparently): mentally ill
Black people: thugs
Muslims/brown people (because whites can't be Muslims, apparently): terrorists
Atheists: Satan spawn threatening to destroy the universe
edit:
As has been noted elsewhere on the internet:
White people/Christians (because they're synonymous, apparently): mentally ill
Black people: thugs
Muslims/brown people (because whites can't be Muslims, apparently): terrorists
Atheists: Satan spawn threatening to destroy the universe
It has been, sadly, the human condition to separate the other as "bad" and us as "good" throughout history. Sometimes the us vs them is hidden and not obvious and sometimes out in the open. And sometimes it's more "more of them are bad and more of us are good" kind of nuance.
I see signs we're starting to evolve beyond that but not over night.
Of course, that is more a little bit ironic, seeing how the Ahadith are so often blamed for the flaws of Islaam in practice.
Fair enough.
Still... the world is not made of intentions alone.
Warm greetings are a good thing, but they can't erase the reality of mistrust and hostility.
And the sad fact is that Islaam, even the Qur'an itself, are much too fond of conveniente exceptions to their good directives, particularly when it comes to what non-Muslims are entitled to expect.
And that alone raises the issue of how easy it is to pervert Islaam into evil, and why.
Spiderman
Veteran Member
I know there are verses like this in the Bible too. I'm disgusted with the Bible and the Koran
There is too much in the Koran and violent lifestyle of Muhammad and the early Muslims that fuels extremism.
The author of the koran doesn't just fantasize about killing nonmuslims, but also torturing, humiliating, and mutilating them. The Koran preaches hatred and bigotry!:
Quran (2:216) – “Fighting is prescribed for you
Quran (3:56) – “As to those who reject faith,Iwill punish them with terrible agony in this world and in the Hereafter, nor will they have anyone to help.”
Quran (3:151) – “Soon shall We cast terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers, for that they joined companions with Allah, forwhich He had sent no authority”.
Quran (4:89) – “They but wish that ye should reject Faith, as they do, and thus be on the same footing (as they): But take not friends from their ranks until they flee in the way of Allah (From what is forbidden). But if they turn renegades, seize them and slay them wherever ye find them; and (in any case) take no friends or helpers from their ranks.”
Quran (4:95) – “Not equal are those believers who sit (at home) and receive no hurt, and those who strive and fight in the cause of Allah with their goods and their persons. Allah hath granted a grade higher to those who strive and fight with their goods and persons than to those who sit (at home). Unto all (in Faith) Hath Allah promised good: But those who strive and fight Hath He distinguished above those who sit (at home) by a special reward,-” It appears this passage criticizes “peaceful” Muslims.
Quran (4:104) – “And be not weak hearted in pursuit of the enemy; if you suffer pain, then surely they (too) suffer pain as you suffer pain…”
Quran (5:33) – “The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His messenger and strive to make mischief in the land is only this, that they should be murdered or crucified or their hands and their feet should be cut off on opposite sides or they should be imprisoned; this shall be as a disgrace for them in this world, and in the hereafter they shall have a grievous chastisement”
Quran (8:12) – “I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve.Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them”
Quran (8:15) – “O ye who believe! When ye meet those who disbelieve in battle, turn not your backs to them. (16)Whoso on that day turneth his back to them, unless maneuvering for battle or intent to join a company, he truly hath incurred wrath from Allah, and his habitation will be hell, a hapless journey’s end.”
Quran (8:59-60) – “And let not those who disbelieve suppose that they can outstrip (Allah’s Purpose). Lo! they cannot escape.
Quran (8:65) – “O Prophet, exhort the believers to fight…”
Quran (9:5) – “So when the sacred months have passed away, then slay the idolaters wherever you find them, and take them captives and besiege them and lie in wait for them in every ambush, then if they repent and keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate, leave their way free to them.”
Quran (9:14) – “Fight them, Allah will punish them by your hands and bring them to disgrace…” Once again, the way Allah wishes to punnish them is by "your hands".
Quran (9:123) – “O you who believe! fight those of the unbelievers who are near to you and let them find in you hardness.”
Quran (33:60-62) – “If the hypocrites, and those in whose hearts is a disease, and the alarmists in the city do not cease, We verily shall urge thee on against them, then they will be your neighbors in it but a little while.
Accursed, they will be seized wherever found and slain with a (fierce) slaughter.” This passage sanctions the slaughter (rendered “merciless” and “horrible murder” in other translations)
Quran (47:3-4) – “Those who reject Allah follow vanities, while those who believe follow the truth from their lord. Thus does Allah set forth form men their lessons by similtudes. Therefore when you meet in battle those who disbelieve, then smite the necks until when you have overcome them, then make (them) prisoners,” Those who reject Allah are to be subdued in battle."
Quran (47:35) – “Be not weary and faint-hearted, crying for peace, when ye should be uppermost
Quran (48:29) – “Muhammad is the messenger of Allah. And those with him are hard (ruthless) against thedisbelievers and merciful among themselves”
The Koran is bad news. I read it in jail from cover to cover. It filled me with darkness to the point I didn't even want to have the book in the same room with me.
from the hadith of sahih bukhari (2)
Volume 1, #234
Narrated Abu Qilaba:
He (Muhammed) then ordered to cut their hands and feet (and it was done), and their eyes were branded with heated pieces of iron. They were put in 'Al-Harra' and when they asked for water, no water was given to them."
Epitome of hatred and cruelty!
There is too much in the Koran and violent lifestyle of Muhammad and the early Muslims that fuels extremism.
The author of the koran doesn't just fantasize about killing nonmuslims, but also torturing, humiliating, and mutilating them. The Koran preaches hatred and bigotry!:
Quran (2:216) – “Fighting is prescribed for you
Quran (3:56) – “As to those who reject faith,Iwill punish them with terrible agony in this world and in the Hereafter, nor will they have anyone to help.”
Quran (3:151) – “Soon shall We cast terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers, for that they joined companions with Allah, forwhich He had sent no authority”.
Quran (4:89) – “They but wish that ye should reject Faith, as they do, and thus be on the same footing (as they): But take not friends from their ranks until they flee in the way of Allah (From what is forbidden). But if they turn renegades, seize them and slay them wherever ye find them; and (in any case) take no friends or helpers from their ranks.”
Quran (4:95) – “Not equal are those believers who sit (at home) and receive no hurt, and those who strive and fight in the cause of Allah with their goods and their persons. Allah hath granted a grade higher to those who strive and fight with their goods and persons than to those who sit (at home). Unto all (in Faith) Hath Allah promised good: But those who strive and fight Hath He distinguished above those who sit (at home) by a special reward,-” It appears this passage criticizes “peaceful” Muslims.
Quran (4:104) – “And be not weak hearted in pursuit of the enemy; if you suffer pain, then surely they (too) suffer pain as you suffer pain…”
Quran (5:33) – “The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His messenger and strive to make mischief in the land is only this, that they should be murdered or crucified or their hands and their feet should be cut off on opposite sides or they should be imprisoned; this shall be as a disgrace for them in this world, and in the hereafter they shall have a grievous chastisement”
Quran (8:12) – “I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve.Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them”
Quran (8:15) – “O ye who believe! When ye meet those who disbelieve in battle, turn not your backs to them. (16)Whoso on that day turneth his back to them, unless maneuvering for battle or intent to join a company, he truly hath incurred wrath from Allah, and his habitation will be hell, a hapless journey’s end.”
Quran (8:59-60) – “And let not those who disbelieve suppose that they can outstrip (Allah’s Purpose). Lo! they cannot escape.
Quran (8:65) – “O Prophet, exhort the believers to fight…”
Quran (9:5) – “So when the sacred months have passed away, then slay the idolaters wherever you find them, and take them captives and besiege them and lie in wait for them in every ambush, then if they repent and keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate, leave their way free to them.”
Quran (9:14) – “Fight them, Allah will punish them by your hands and bring them to disgrace…” Once again, the way Allah wishes to punnish them is by "your hands".
Quran (9:123) – “O you who believe! fight those of the unbelievers who are near to you and let them find in you hardness.”
Quran (33:60-62) – “If the hypocrites, and those in whose hearts is a disease, and the alarmists in the city do not cease, We verily shall urge thee on against them, then they will be your neighbors in it but a little while.
Accursed, they will be seized wherever found and slain with a (fierce) slaughter.” This passage sanctions the slaughter (rendered “merciless” and “horrible murder” in other translations)
Quran (47:3-4) – “Those who reject Allah follow vanities, while those who believe follow the truth from their lord. Thus does Allah set forth form men their lessons by similtudes. Therefore when you meet in battle those who disbelieve, then smite the necks until when you have overcome them, then make (them) prisoners,” Those who reject Allah are to be subdued in battle."
Quran (47:35) – “Be not weary and faint-hearted, crying for peace, when ye should be uppermost
Quran (48:29) – “Muhammad is the messenger of Allah. And those with him are hard (ruthless) against thedisbelievers and merciful among themselves”
The Koran is bad news. I read it in jail from cover to cover. It filled me with darkness to the point I didn't even want to have the book in the same room with me.
from the hadith of sahih bukhari (2)
Volume 1, #234
Narrated Abu Qilaba:
He (Muhammed) then ordered to cut their hands and feet (and it was done), and their eyes were branded with heated pieces of iron. They were put in 'Al-Harra' and when they asked for water, no water was given to them."
Epitome of hatred and cruelty!
Yerda
Veteran Member
Other.
I don't believe in gods, angels, prophets, etc so on a literal level it's as daft, to me, as any religion...angels and virgins and flying horses and Allah commanding silly things and all that. On the level that matters (how it serves social harmony and provides people with an understanding of their place in the world, imo) it seems to be a mess right now. I don't believe that Islam is inherently dangerous, but it's not that hard to make it so.
Like everyone else I suppose that my impression has been shaped by the conflicts in the mid East and the terrorist acts carried out by believers.
I don't believe in gods, angels, prophets, etc so on a literal level it's as daft, to me, as any religion...angels and virgins and flying horses and Allah commanding silly things and all that. On the level that matters (how it serves social harmony and provides people with an understanding of their place in the world, imo) it seems to be a mess right now. I don't believe that Islam is inherently dangerous, but it's not that hard to make it so.
Like everyone else I suppose that my impression has been shaped by the conflicts in the mid East and the terrorist acts carried out by believers.
FearGod
Freedom Of Mind
I believe most of the disbelievers hate Islam and they even hate Muslims, some pretend
not to be but in reality they are.
I'm not happy of course for this to be the case but it's.
Yerda
Veteran Member
We don't hate Muslims. (I don't hate Islam either).
I don't, for one! But victim complexes can be comfortable, and us vs them narratives are emotionally satisfying.
I don't have a problem with any religion as long as I get to practice mine.
