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Richard Dawkin

gnostic

gnostic

The Lost One
sunstone said:
Dawkins is too conservative in his critiques of Christianity for my taste. I was hoping for something much stronger.
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Perhaps, Dawkins should investigate Muslim's assertion of the Qur'an being scientific.
 
fantome profane

fantome profane

Anti-Woke = Anti-Justice
Premium Member
Halcyon said:
Well, in my opinion, he didn't do a very good job because it reads as a basic attempt at refuting fundamentalist, ID believing Christianity but nothing else.
Perhaps he'll deal with other religions in the second half.
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What would be wrong with as book that “reads as a basic attempt at refuting fundamentalist, ID believing Christianity but nothing else”? If that was what he set out to do, and that is what he did, what is wrong with that?

After I read that book I was also left with he feeling that there was more to say. He briefly mentioned Buddhism, Pantheism, and what he referred to as the Einstienian view of “God”. But he mentions those things simply to let the reader know that this book is not about those kind of concepts. And I was left wondering if someday in the future he might write another book that is about those concepts, but that is not really a valid criticism of this book.
 
Halcyon

Halcyon

Lord of the Badgers
fantôme profane;1340471 said:
What would be wrong with as book that “reads as a basic attempt at refuting fundamentalist, ID believing Christianity but nothing else”? If that was what he set out to do, and that is what he did, what is wrong with that?
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Nothing, if you look back at the comments I replied to it was suggested the book was aimed at all theistic religion.
It seems that some people are confused as to what exactly Dawkins was attempting to disprove, as an aside, I have an inking that perhaps Dawkins himself is one of them.
 
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Linda777

Member
methylatedghosts said:
So enlighten me, along with all the other people on here, as to what the difference is between Christianity (tm) and "so-called Christianity"...


I think you'll find that Christianity is christianity is christianity.

But here we're just getting into word definitions...
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So called Christianity in a word is hypocrisy and blindness to who God is.
Christianity is knowing God through the Son.
 
gnostic

gnostic

The Lost One
thereisnospoon said:
It is not worth the effort.
I did that some years ago already. Frankly ... it is actually a waste of time to even consider writing something about so obviously a false claim.
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So you don't think Dawkins would find it remotely challenging?

If he did it right, his book sales should skyrocket, if a Muslim cleric or two were to issue a fatwa against Dawkins.
 
Mr Spinkles

Mr Spinkles

Mr
gnostic said:
So you don't think Dawkins would find it remotely challenging?

If he did it right, his book sales should skyrocket, if a Muslim cleric or two were to issue a fatwa against Dawkins.
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Yeah, and he would spend all the money from those sales, and all the money from his previous book sales, on round-the-clock security for the rest of his life.
 
gnostic

gnostic

The Lost One
Mr Sprinkles said:
Yeah, and he would spend all the money from those sales, and all the money from his previous book sales, on round-the-clock security for the rest of his life.
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Hey, I didn't say there weren't any price or consequence for successfully refuting Muslim's assertion about the Qur'an being scientific. :shrug:

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Linda777

Member
Sunstone said:
How would you define "evolution". Just curious.
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I don't call it evolution, but it seems that through the millenniums God has slowly been revealing himself to us as we can take it in. Obviously something is going on that changes and changes, as in moving forward. I know nothing creates itself but what God said in the beginning in Genesis 1 continues to manifest itself to us in one way or another.
My favorite writer Philip Yancy put it this way that it seems God is going through all these things with us to get closer to us and it is a very difficult and long process.
 
ThereIsNoSpoon

ThereIsNoSpoon

Active Member
Linda777 said:
I don't call it evolution, but it seems that through the millenniums God has slowly been revealing himself to us as we can take it in.
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I remember the saying that the greatest archievement of satan would be to make people believe he didn't exist. According to that logic one must presume that God is Satan.

Frankly spoken: If God just showed up I could take that far better than to reveal himself by means which make people think he didn't exist.


I know nothing creates itself but what God said in the beginning in Genesis 1 continues to manifest itself to us in one way or another.
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When i read Genesis 1 i can't help but wonder how anybody could relate that to reality. There mere idea that plants came before the sun is somewhat unrealistic.
 
Naturalist_Atheist

Naturalist_Atheist

Uh.... Pootie Tang.
I don't understand why Dawkins recieves all this flak for voicing his opinion. (A harmless one if you ask me.) He never said he wants to destroy religion or religious thought. He doesn't want to force your children into atheistic thought. All I've ever seen, heard, or read him say is that those of you who are religious minded, should keep it to yourselves. Plain and simple. What's so wrong about that?


I've only read "The God Delusion."I was wondering if any of you out there could recommend another book of his to me.
 
Storm

Storm

ThrUU the Looking Glass
Naturalist_Atheist said:
I don't understand why Dawkins recieves all this flak for voicing his opinion. (A harmless one if you ask me.) He never said he wants to destroy religion or religious thought. He doesn't want to force your children into atheistic thought. All I've ever seen, heard, or read him say is that those of you who are religious minded, should keep it to yourselves. Plain and simple. What's so wrong about that?
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The same thing that's wrong with saying that those of you who are irreligious-minded should keep it to yourselves.
 
Naturalist_Atheist

Naturalist_Atheist

Uh.... Pootie Tang.
The same thing that's wrong with saying that those of you who are irreligious-minded should keep it to yourselves.
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How exactly have I not kept it to myself? What devine, infallible agenda have I pushed onto anyone?
 
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