godnotgod
Thou art That
He probably has a degree in Pseudo Science.
Actually, he has a bona-fide degree in 'Buddhish-tic' doctrine, much like you.
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Actually, he has a bona-fide degree in 'Buddhish-tic' doctrine, much like you.
godnotgod
Thou art That
Say! You didn't get your 'education and knowledge' from the same 'Buddhish' school that Spiny attended, perchance?
godnotgod
Thou art That
So are you also speaking on behalf of mystics now? I'm not sure they'd appreciate that.
Actually, I'm speaking on behalf of those rascally 'Buddhishts'. You know. The ones who believe in 'two worlds' that 'don't overlap', as compared to the non-dual 'one world' Buddhists.
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godnotgod
Thou art That
In The Diamond Sutra, the Buddha himself states that the world is created in consciousness:
Form itself is emptiness”: its true source is fathomed.
“Emptiness itself is form”: the false flow has dried up.
Mountains, rivers, and the great earth are only manifestations of consciousness.
“Dream, illusion, bubble, shadow” – so it is!
City of 10,000 Buddhas - Sutra in 42 Sections with Commentary
Form itself is emptiness”: its true source is fathomed.
“Emptiness itself is form”: the false flow has dried up.
Mountains, rivers, and the great earth are only manifestations of consciousness.
“Dream, illusion, bubble, shadow” – so it is!
City of 10,000 Buddhas - Sutra in 42 Sections with Commentary
outhouse
Atheistically
That is not a credible source for the true nature of reality.
I stated quite clearly a credible source.
godnotgod
Thou art That
godnotgod
Thou art That
The source is credible. It's from the Diamond Sutra.
If you're asking for a scientific source, there is none. Science has no knowledge as to the nature of Reality. It only possesses factual knowledge subject to modification.
godnotgod
Thou art That
If you are referring to "dhamma eye," "deva eye," "eye of wisdom," or "Buddha-eye," this is the intuition each individual can only experience for themselves by first clearing all of the fallacious modes of cognition out of their minds. You can't scientifically test it. If you can't see it for yourself, talking about it will more likely create more hindrances for those who are still trying to clear out their dukkha--they will focus on the cosmology instead of the dukkha within their minds, which will always skew perception.
Even if all mystics agree, it still cannot be proven that they are directly perceiving reality or whether they are perceiving a deep archetype from the collective unconscious until science catches up. Therefore, it is wiser to concentrate on clearing the dukkha before worrying about cosmology that can only be subjectively perceived at this time.
godnotgod
Thou art That
Once the fallacious modes of cognition are cleared, all that is left is the same view for all. It is a universal, impersonal view. We don't need science to validate it. Science is incapable of such validation.
So what's the diff between the collective archetype and reality?
I was referring to the fact that mystics can accept scientific findings in general, but science, due to its very methodology, cannot accept the mystic's view as it is unprovable via logic, reason, or analysis.
How can you be sure that is the case? Can you prove this assertion is not a projection? How can you tell if it is universal and not individual qualia?
OK
We don't know yet.
They can accept it for what it is--mystic's view. Not science.
outhouse
Atheistically
That is factually not a credible nor academic source for the true nature of reality.
Unsubstantiated rhetoric.
You only expose yourself here.
godnotgod
Thou art That
Because there is no longer an "I" that is the experiencer of the experience; no longer subject and object; observer and observed. There's no longer anything that can get in the way of the experience itself; no longer a 'you' that is separate from the Reality. One has completely merged with the experience to become one with it, like dye dissolved in water. YOU are THAT. You have ALWAYS been THAT.
Once that occurs, it is then realized that one has never been separated from Reality; 'separation' having been an illusion of the mind.
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godnotgod
Thou art That
There exists no factual nor academic source for the true nature of Reality other than that of direct experience. The true nature of Reality is beyond fact or academia.
outhouse
Atheistically
It is also incapable of proving imagination and human perception.
That is right science does not prove mythology or perception or things outside of reason and logic.
outhouse
Atheistically
Sorry I will trust science description over reality then ancient mythology or your opinion.
Maybe you don't even understand what the definition of reality is here?
Reality - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Reality is the conjectured state of things as they actually exist, rather than as they may appear or might be imagined
Reality is often contrasted with what is imaginary, delusional, (only) in the mind, dreams, what is false, what is fictional, or what is abstract
Scientific realism
Scientific realism is, at the most general level, the view that the world described by science (perhaps ideal science) is the real world, as it is, independent of what we might take it to be
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godnotgod
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The view of the mystic is neither perception, nor mythology, nor reason nor logic: it is simply to see things as they actually are.
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godnotgod
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Science can tell us certain things about the physical world, how it behaves, and make predictions based on observed consistent behavior. But it cannot tell us what the true nature of Reality actually is.