Can you tell me why the cause/effect of revoking privileges as a punishment is harmful? I am not going to sit here and layout every punishment I can think of because you still can't wrap your head around the idea you may be wrong.
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Risks of harm from spanking confirmed by analysis of 5 decades of research
- Thread starter Sunstone
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Scott C.
Just one guy
I don't expect people to stop spanking because of a study. It may have some influence, but the parents need to weigh their personal experience and feelings. The study may come into play somewhere in their minds. You and I are close to agreement on this one. I'll savor the moment rather than respond to all of your comment.
Scott C.
Just one guy
Raised six. I spanked my first years as a parent and then stopped. I didn't feel guilty, but it didn't seem to work.
I can wrap my head around the idea that I may be wrong however you can't get off the opinion I am wrong. You are unrealistically against corporal punishment without proof, even the people who did the study aren't as critical.
YmirGF
Bodhisattva in Recovery
Therein lies the rub, Sunstone. If a parent solves every mini-crisis with a spanks they probably need work on their parenting skills. That does not mean that a very occasional smack is harmful or unwarranted. If it is used as an attention getting device and not a punishment method, that is.
There's something about this issue that really confuses me.
Apparently, it is okay to use physical violence against children to discipline them for bad behavior.
Yet, once they become adults, it is not okay for us to use physical violence to discipline people for bad behavior. We call that assault in most cases.
That is... really very odd.
Apparently, it is okay to use physical violence against children to discipline them for bad behavior.
Yet, once they become adults, it is not okay for us to use physical violence to discipline people for bad behavior. We call that assault in most cases.
That is... really very odd.
How is this study with 160k cases not proof?
Not even the occasional punch is sanctioned for use on an adult, though people argue that the occasional swat is ok for kids. Strange, I thought kids were more vulnerable than adults?
Well, we can consider it one of the benefits of being an adult. Once you're an adult, you no longer have to deal with being assaulted by adults just because you are young!
(maybe the grown-ups don't allow punching other grown-ups because the grown-ups know how to punch back hard?)
YmirGF
Bodhisattva in Recovery
Yes, our different police forces would never use force on a person behaving badly. Never! In our society, we have offloaded the burden to others whom we pay to do our dirty work.
Not talking about police forces, which are legally-sanctioned to engage in activities the rest of us can't. If you or I deck our co-worker the next time they make a mistake on the job, see what happens. Being fired will be the best case scenario.
YmirGF
Bodhisattva in Recovery
Well duh! That's the point tho, Quinty, as a society we have offloaded the dirty work to others. Because of the rules of engagement we have concocted we no longer take matters into our own hands. Minors (or the young) are still our responsibility and we can raise them how we see fit - for the most part - within other rules we have all largely agreed on.Not talking about police forces, which are legally-sanctioned to engage in activities the rest of us can't. If you or I deck our co-worker the next time they make a mistake on the job, see what happens. Being fired will be the best case scenario.
True, we've "offloaded" justice to official groups. It still strikes me as $#@% backwards for a society to find physically smacking children to be acceptable as a form of general discipline yet not apply that same standard to adults. Seems more consistent to allow both, or to reverse that standard.
YmirGF
Bodhisattva in Recovery
That may be but it is an ingrained social norm. That said, I think you would be hard pressed to find anyone who agrees that a child should be smacked both soundly and often. I just don't see that. I think the only people who would find this even mildly acceptable would be sociopaths, psychopaths and people at the lower end of the intelligence scale who have poor coping strategies.
This study is about 44 studies that used 160k. All of the 44 studies have already been released and I probably read some. The 44 studies weren't conclusive enough so they had to analyse the data a new way. You read their actual conclusion. It probably not much better than any of the other 44 studies.
metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
My kids turned out quite fine, thank you, and so are our grandchildren. None of them are shrinking violets, all three of our "kids" went on to college, and two of our oldest grandkids are starting college this fall on academic scholarships. And none of our kids and grandkids have killed anyone since yesterday.
And, just to repeat, I've seen all too many parents who have use the "time-outs" and groundings on a regular basis, and all too often I've seen the kids overwhelm those frustrated parents. One thing that's worse, imo, than a little slap on the butt, is a child who is not at the age whereas one can reason with them, whereas there's a dragging out punishment, such as in a "time-out" or being "grounded".
metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
Did you ever try and have a serious discussion with a one or even a two year old that's morality-based? Brow-beating a child is worse, imo, than a quick slap on the butt.
BTW, just to be clear, my wife and I only used this on rare occasions because once the kids realized what could happen, they came around. I do not ever remember giving any of our children so much as a quick swat after they reached five, btw.
I'll tell you what, I am going to flip this on you because I am growing tired if trying to have a discussion with someone who so blindly dismisses data. Why don't you provide me with a study of equal strength and scope that provides conclusive evidence that corporal punishment is beneficial to children?
Why do I have to present anything? I read the studies data I understand their conclusion. Its you that is being closed minded. I have done everything you asked and find your conclusion invalid. You claim facts that even the study is hesitant to claim or did you read it? You claim things you can't prove such as not all punishment is detrimental without facts.
If you come across another study someday I'll gladly read it and see if it offers anything worth wild. Until then have a great day.
If you come across another study someday I'll gladly read it and see if it offers anything worth wild. Until then have a great day.
Because it appears you are taking an opposing or challenging position to the data presented. In order to do that, I believe you should have something behind you to support yourself. (I mean, you don't have to, but it would make the discussion a lot more beneficial.)
Right and I am asking you to find or formulate your own set of data or a study of equal scope to support your reasoning as to why.
I don't claim anything as a fact, the study doesn't either. @Quintessence already pointed out in a concise, clear manner what this study is presenting.
Is this how discussions are going to go with you? This is the second time we have debated and you have walked away when pressed for support to your own positions.