Rittenhouse, the proof is in the pudding....

[Debater Slayer]

That doesn't reflect my intent.
It's that they (BLM) don't notice or care much about
deaths of non-black people. If they did, some names
would be more well known....
Daniel Shaver
Justine Damond
Dennis Tuttle
Rhogena Nicholas

Seems to me that this is reasonable and par for the course when a movement is primarily concerned with a specific group's struggles. Since no movement can focus on everything that's wrong with their society, they have to pick their battles and priorities.

There's nothing preventing those primarily concerned with police shootings of non-Black people from starting their own movements.

 

[Debater Slayer]

The young man who shot three Democrat criminals in self defense was based on this freedom. If the ban had been in effect, only the Democrat rioters would be allowed to have guns via the black market monopoly created by the Democrat led Government.

The amount of partisan language and finger-pointing in your statements doesn't give a reassuring image of your ideal vision for the U.S. It sounds a bit too much like you're more concerned with the political affiliation of the people involved than whether or not they were in the wrong.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

The problem is banning weapons will not stop the criminals from getting guns. Heroine, for example, is highly banned in the US, but it is readily available on the black market.

The difference between firearms and heroin is that the source of virtually every firearm used in crime was the legal gun market.

Nobody is making AR-15s in a secret forge and machine shop in their backyard. In fact, in the US, legal firearms are so prevalent that there's no practical way of limiting criminal access to firearms without regulating the legal gun market.

 

[Revoltingest]

Seems to me that this is reasonable and par for the course when a movement is primarily concerned with a specific group's struggles. Since no movement can focus on everything that's wrong with their society, they have to pick their battles and priorities.

There's nothing preventing those primarily concerned with police shootings of non-Black people from starting their own movements.

This appears to be agreement.

But there is something wrong with our news media
highlighting only deaths of blacks, & largely ignoring
others. This causes distortion of reality, ie, liberals &
blacks focusing upon racism, & ignoring the larger
problems of poorly trained, poorly vetted, militarized,
sexist, corrupt cops who lack accountability.
They're a danger to all. The solution lies in a complete
overhaul of the justice system, not just policing.

 

[esmith]

I hear and read about a lot of people calling for the banning of various types of rifles and magazine.
Yet I hear little or nothing from those same people about the fentanyl criis that has taken the lives of over 64,000 as of April of this year
Drug overdose deaths top 100,000 annually for the first time, driven by fentanyl, CDC data show - CNN
As of Sept of this year over 11,000 lbs of fentanyl has been seized at the border.
Drug Seizure Statistics
Just one (1) kilogram of fentanyl has the potential to kill 500,000 people. A kilogram is roughly 2.2 pounds.
More fentanyl seized by CBP so far in 2021 than in all of 2020
There have been 1284 deaths from mass shootings (4 or more deaths) since 2009. Now there is no data on weapong involved, that I can find.
Mass Shootings in America | Everytown Research & Policy

So, it appears that the knee jerk activitis have their priorities in the wrong place when it comes to the semi-auto rifle/magazine issue.
Just my logical opinion based on facts not hyperbole from the media.

 

[John53]

An AR-15 is neither.

Assault weapon - Wikipedia

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

I hear and read about a lot of people calling for the banning of various types of rifles and magazine.
Yet I hear little or nothing from those same people about the fentanyl criis that has taken the lives of over 64,000 as of April of this year
Drug overdose deaths top 100,000 annually for the first time, driven by fentanyl, CDC data show - CNN
As of Sept of this year over 11,000 lbs of fentanyl has been seized at the border.
Drug Seizure Statistics
Just one (1) kilogram of fentanyl has the potential to kill 500,000 people. A kilogram is roughly 2.2 pounds.
More fentanyl seized by CBP so far in 2021 than in all of 2020
There have been 1284 deaths from mass shootings (4 or more deaths) since 2009. Now there is no data on weapong involved, that I can find.
Mass Shootings in America | Everytown Research & Policy

So, it appears that the knee jerk activitis have their priorities in the wrong place when it comes to the semi-auto rifle/magazine issue.
Just my logical opinion based on facts not hyperbole from the media.

Yes, because people can only care about one issue.

But you're right in one respect: "assault weapons" are a very small part of the problem. Gun control measures that don't address handguns are really just dancing around the edges without addressing the main substance of the problem.

 

[Wildswanderer]

You seem to have a very warped view of Rittenhouse and the world in general.

No but a lot of people have a warped view because the MSM lied to them all along about that night and about the character of the young man.
Everything that the news told us was wrong. He wasn't a white supremacist. The gun wasn't there illegally. It was clearly self defense, and that's just the obvious stuff.

 

[Wildswanderer]

What I know is if he wasn't there pretending to be a peace keeper, two people wouldn't be dead. The two people that died has their own

So your preference would be that the defender die rather than the aggressive rioters. Noted.

 

[Revoltingest]

Assault weapon - Wikipedia

From your link....
The term assault weapon is used in the United States to define some types of firearms.[1] The definition varies among regulating jurisdictions but usually includes semi-automatic firearms with a detachable magazine, a pistol grip and sometimes other features such as a vertical forward grip, flash suppressor or barrel shroud.[1][2]

Note the qualifier "usually", which includes improper
usage by those who don't know better, or are trying
mischievously to expand application.
Without select fire (ie, ability to switch to full auto),
it wouldn't be useful to assault anything. This has
been essential to the definition for the over half
century I've been involved in using, working on,
& designing weapons.

Alas, language will evolve, & I suspect that some
day even a single shot pistol will become an
"assault rifle".

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

No but a lot of people have a warped view because the MSM lied to them all along about that night and about the character of the young man.
Everything that the news told us was wrong. He wasn't a white supremacist.

Why do you say that? He's certainly friendly with white supremacists.

The gun wasn't there illegally.

Not true. It was there illegally; it's just that the crime was committed by someone other than Rittenhouse:

Rittenhouse and his friend, Dominick Black, testified that Black, who was 18 at the time, used Rittenhouse's money to purchase the weapon at a Wisconsin hardware store in May 2020. The two reportedly agreed that Black would keep the gun until Rittenhouse turned 18 in January 2021, according to court testimony.

Black is now being prosecuted for participating in the illegal straw purchase of the weapon on behalf of Rittenhouse. But Rittenhouse's possession of the firearm at the time was technically legal.

Kyle Rittenhouse didn't illegally bring a gun across state lines and 5 other myths surrounding the trial debunked

It was clearly self defense, and that's just the obvious stuff.

No, that's not clear at all.

 

[John53]

From your link....
The term assault weapon is used in the United States to define some types of firearms.[1] The definition varies among regulating jurisdictions but usually includes semi-automatic firearms with a detachable magazine, a pistol grip and sometimes other features such as a vertical forward grip, flash suppressor or barrel shroud.[1][2]

Note the qualifier "usually", which includes improper
usage by those who don't know better, or are trying
mischievously to expand application.
Without select fire (ie, ability to switch to full auto),
it wouldn't be useful to assault anything. This has
been essential to the definition for the over half
century I've been involved in using, working on,
& designing weapons.

Alas, language will evolve, & I suspect that some
day even a single shot pistol will become an
"assault rifle".

So it would perfectly fine to call to an AR-15 an assault weapon except unusually [shrug]. I'd call it an AR-15 or a semi-auto, I'd never heard the term assault weapon or assault rifle (that I'm aware of) but a quick google search showed how easy it would be for the average person to be confused between the two. Still don't know how one description is more (or less) frightening than the other.

 

[Revoltingest]

So it would perfectly fine to call to an AR-15....

Such mischief creates the false impression in the fearful
ignorant masses that Rittenhouse had a select fire automatic
weapon. The AR15 can't do that....You're thinking of the M16
& variants, which are actual military assault weapons.

 

[John53]

Such mischief creates the false impression in the fearful
ignorant masses that Rittenhouse had a select fire automatic
weapon. The AR15 can't do that....You're thinking of the M16
& variants, which are actual military assault weapons.

No I'm definitely thinking of an AR-15 and like I said semi-auto, there's even a picture of one on the Wikipedia page. Maybe the wiki page is wrong with it's description assault weapons v assault rifle.

 

[Revoltingest]

No I'm definitely thinking of an AR-15 and like I said semi-auto, there's even a picture of one on the Wikipedia page. Maybe the wiki page is wrong with it's description assault weapons v assault rifle.

It appears to be embracing the liberal media usage.
Posters here familiar with weapon see that as just "ignant".

 

[John53]

It appears to be embracing the liberal media usage.
Posters here familiar with weapon see that as just "ignant".

Perhaps you can see why posters might be confused then.

 

[Revoltingest]

Perhaps you can see why posters might be confused then.

I do understand.
That's why I cut back on my jerkism by a full 10% for you.

 

[Wildswanderer]

No, that's not clear at all.

Twelve people who had all the evidence thought otherwise.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

Twelve people who had all the evidence thought otherwise.

The twelve people who took 3 days to decide that there was more than a reasonable doubt of Rittenhouse's guilt? Those 12 people?

 

[esmith]

The twelve people who took 3 days to decide that there was more than a reasonable doubt of Rittenhouse's guilt? Those 12 people?

So, given your current track of questioning do you feel that the jury came to the correct decision?