Shadow Wolf
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Russia....What It's Like
- Thread starter Revoltingest
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That's the point: they can be false, they can be true.
They are theories.
But the mainstream narrative makes them a priori false.
Father Heathen
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The political spectrum has two axis. You can be both a liberal and a capitalist.
For example the U.S.S.R was socially conservative; it certainly wasn't progressive.
My point was that it is absolutely inexplainable that the two WW2 winners, US and USSR didn't try to get along in the aftermath.
Even if they were politically different, the Cold War is really unjustified, also because it still lasts today.
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Father Heathen
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You might be able to put ideological differences aside, but not human rights.
So are the US supposed not to befriend all nations that violate fundamental human rights?
Father Heathen
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Who wants to be friends with those who rape and torture children?
I meant...many nations violate those rights.
Father Heathen
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So let's all throw a child rape and torture party?
Are you really trying to whatabout away some of the most heinous crimes imaginable?
If you possess a shred of humanity, reconsider.
Wrongo pongo!
I've even known several.
But they just never rose to prominence in politics.
They really aren't "theories" either, since they're
non-disprovable. But "conspiracy theory" is still
the term for beliefs about murky cabals plotting
a nefarious coup of some sort.
Note that this differs from actual conspiracies,
which have evidence, eg, Hitler & Stalin dividing
up Europe like a Thanksgiving turkey.
BTW, it's fun to note that Hitler & his buds had an
even deeper conspiracy to take Stalin's toys too.
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They never really were all that united, though. I agree that they could have been - and they should have been. Of course, the capitalists could have avoided revolution and communism altogether if only they were reasonable enough and willing to share a small portion of the wealth with the working class. Capitalists are too stubborn and greedy, which is the core reason for most human conflict and dissension in the world today.
One of the disagreements which started the Cold War was over Germany. Given what had happened to Russia, the Soviets wanted Germany to be made a demilitarized zone and de-industrialized so that they would be unable to build up a military force again. Some in the US wanted that, too, although in the end, the US wanted West Germany to be built back up to become a major NATO asset. While Russia initially wanted Germany and other central European states to be a demilitarized buffer zone, the US did not want that, as they wanted to maintain an active military force in Germany, Italy, and elsewhere in Europe.
This was how the Cold War got started in the first place.
The Soviets saw US behavior as aggressive and provocative, and they were right. The Soviet Union was devastated, weakened, and severely depleted, and it appeared to them that the US would try to take advantage of them in that vulnerable state. Given the character and morals of the US political leadership at the time, I can't say I blame the Russians for being wary and mistrustful of our government. If FDR had still been alive, maybe he could have worked out a deal, but the "Senator From Pendergast" was not up to the task.
I meant: the US roll red carpets at other nations who violate human rights...
so the story of the human rights in Russia is not credible.
But if these murky cabals did exist, wouldn't it be normal for them to pretend they are not a murky cabal, and to deem anyone who suspects them as "conspiracy theorists"?
We can speak of the Slavo-Catholic world. It deals with nations who couldn't choose and so they fell within "Soviet jurisdiction", that is the Pact of Warsaw, unwillingly.
And these nations have been developing a strong anti-Russian sentiment, because they wished they were in the NATO instead.
And now, they are the most enthusiastic members of the NATO, if we think of Poland, for example.
It's a fact that the Soviet Union never was democratic.
The funny thing is that East Germany was called German Democratic Republic, DDR.
I think that after 1989, Russia completely changed. It's more and more westernized...and also americanized.
Oh, if we could only just put all the capitalists in prison.
Then the socialists...with their generosity instead of greed,
their leaders' love of liberty instead of power, and their
support for diversity of thought....we'd have a worker's
paradise seen in every socialist country throughout history.
Suspicion isn't necessary. In my observation, it appears to come down to a fervent yet naive belief in American exceptionalism and the mythos of America as the "shining city on a hill." The kinds of things that have been considered "normal" in politics in countries throughout most of human history are things that "just can't happen in America."
Corruption, intrigue, malice, and many other things which seem common to all governments - both modern and primitive - just don't happen in America. Because we're special. Anyone who doesn't think that Americans are special and exceptional to every rule of human behavior - they must be some kind of whack job - a "conspiracy theorist."
Father Heathen
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I don't abide that either. I don't present my country as some flawless exemplar. I'm well aware the U.S. has a slimy underbelly that I wouldn't try to excuse or justify.
But how does that make Russia's own crimes and misdeeds "not credible"?
I'm still baffled as to why you as a tran woman would align yourself with those who would have you jailed or executed for being what you are.
So the proof of sophisticated conspiracies is that they can't be detected, eh.
That's rather like the evidence for God, ie, that he is known (only) by faith.