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balasta boy

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lets talk about the true day of worship that God has given to as
the sabbath?
do you believe that the sabbath is the day of worship not Sunday?
 
Pegg

Pegg

Jehovah our God is One
not if you have entered into Gods rest.

Psalm 95 10 For forty years I kept feeling a loathing toward [that] generation, And I proceeded to say: “They are a people wayward at heart,...“They shall not enter into my rest".

Hebrews 4:6 Since, therefore, it remains for some to enter into it, and those to whom the good news was first declared did not enter in because of disobedience, ... 8 For if Joshua had led them into a place of rest, [God] would not afterward have spoken of another day. 9 So there remains a sabbath resting for the people of God. 10 For the man that has entered into [God’s] rest has also himself rested from his own works, just as God did from his own.

If you enter into Gods rest, then you are entering the true sabbath of God.
 
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balasta boy

Member
What is and has been up to debate is the day and how?
well we must talk to it because revelation say's that when Jesus return he look for those faith in his commandments including sabbath rev. 14:12
This calls for patient endurance on the part of the people of God who keep his commands and remain faithful to Jesus.
 
9-10ths_Penguin

9-10ths_Penguin

1/10 Subway Stalinist
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balasta boy said:
lets talk about the true day of worship that God has given to as
the sabbath?
do you believe that the sabbath is the day of worship not Sunday?
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I think the Bible suggests that it doesn't matter as long as your life is dedicated to God:

Romans 14:5-8
5 One person [c]regards one day above another, another regards every day alike. Each person must be fully convinced in his own mind. 6 He who observes the day, observes it for the Lord, and he who eats, [d]does so for the Lord, for he gives thanks to God; and he who eats not, for the Lord he does not eat, and gives thanks to God. 7 For not one of us lives for himself, and not one dies for himself; 8 for if we live, we live for the Lord, or if we die, we die for the Lord; therefore whether we live or die, we are the Lord’s.
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james2ko

james2ko

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Pegg said:
not if you have entered into Gods rest.

Psalm 95 10 For forty years I kept feeling a loathing toward [that] generation, And I proceeded to say: “They are a people wayward at heart,...“They shall not enter into my rest".

Hebrews 4:6 Since, therefore, it remains for some to enter into it, and those to whom the good news was first declared did not enter in because of disobedience, ... 8 For if Joshua had led them into a place of rest, [God] would not afterward have spoken of another day. 9 So there remains a sabbath resting for the people of God. 10 For the man that has entered into [God’s] rest has also himself rested from his own works, just as God did from his own.

If you enter into Gods rest, then you are entering the true sabbath of God.
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This was refuted in points 3, 4 and 8 here
 
9-10ths_Penguin

9-10ths_Penguin

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Premium Member
balasta boy said:
Jesus said if you love me keep my commandment john 14:15
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The commandments which he then triumphed over through the cross?

Colossians 2:13-17
13 When you were dead [k]in your transgressions and the uncircumcision of your flesh, He made you alive together with Him, having forgiven us all our transgressions, 14 having canceled out the certificate of debt consisting of decrees against us, which was hostile to us; and He has taken it out of the way, having nailed it to the cross. 15 When He had [l]disarmed the rulers and authorities, He made a public display of them, having triumphed over them through [m]Him.
16 Therefore no one is to [n]act as your judge in regard to food or drink or in respect to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath [o]day— 17 things which are a mere shadow of what is to come; but the [p]substance [q]belongs to Christ.
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balasta boy said:
its clear Jesus tells us to his commandment faith with out work is dead James 2:17
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But it doesn't say which works, does it?

The only passages in the New Testament where the Sabbath is mentioned explicitly are ones saying that it no longer applies or is unimportant: Mark 2:27, Romans 14, Colossians 2, etc. To get your interpretation, you have to do mental acrobatics and read between the lines, while ignoring the plain reading of other passages that explicitly go against what you're saying.
 
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balasta boy

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9-10ths_Penguin said:
The commandments which he then triumphed over through the cross?

Colossians 2:13-17



But it doesn't say which works, does it?

The only passages in the New Testament where the Sabbath is mentioned explicitly are ones saying that it no longer applies or is unimportant: Mark 2:27, Romans 14, Colossians 2, etc. To get your interpretation, you have to do mental acrobatics and read between the lines, while ignoring the plain reading of other passages that explicitly go against what you're saying.
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so you really believe that your explanation is reasonable even you friend you don't know the context of that text that you gave. i do believe in that text that you gave but friend sabbath is not only one
 
Pegg

Pegg

Jehovah our God is One
balasta boy said:
by the way whats God's rest? its sabbath right?
Gen. 2:1-3, exodus 20:8-11
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its more then mosaic sabbath.

Paul was explaining that God prevented the Isrealites from entering in to Gods rest... yet they were observing the sabbath as specified in the mosaic law... so Gods rest is something different to the Sabbath of the mosaic law.

Hebrews 4:8 For if Joshua had led them into a place of rest, [God] would not afterward have spoken of another day

Its better. It has to do with becoming one with Gods purpose. When God rested on the 7th day, he did so to allow time for his purposes to be fulfilled in regards to the earth and mankind.

Becoming a part of Gods purpose means entering into his rest.
 
Pegg

Pegg

Jehovah our God is One
james2ko said:
This was refuted in points 3, 4 and 8 here

At the very minimum, God wants us to keep holy or set apart at least one day a week and He was very specific as to which day.
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No, he wanted the Isrealites to set aside a specific day. The christians were not asked to do so.

If you want to set a day aside, you should by all means do that. But a greater purpose is to enter Gods rest every day. That doesnt mean you cannot work to earn a living. You can. But what it means is that you can join God in his purposes and be included in his plan for mankind. :)
 
9-10ths_Penguin

9-10ths_Penguin

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james2ko said:
Does it though? I believe we dispelled this suggestion here
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You made an argument; I disagree with it.

james2ko said:
Not exactly...Here's a reminder (third response from the bottom) here

Perhaps you could explain how Mk 2:27 does away with the Sabbath?
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It doesn't. It renders it unimportant.

I think this is spelled out more clearly in Matthew 12:

9 Departing from there, He went into their synagogue. 10 And a man was there whose hand was withered. And they questioned [f]Jesus, asking, “Is it lawful to heal on the Sabbath?”—so that they might accuse Him. 11 And He said to them, “What man [g]is there among you who [h]has a sheep, and if it falls into a pit on the Sabbath, will he not take hold of it and lift it out? 12 How much more valuable then is a man than a sheep! So then, it is lawful to do [i]good on the Sabbath.”
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So...

- it is lawful to do good on the Sabbath.
- is it ever lawful to do evil, Sabbath or not?

Assuming your answer is no, then we end up with something like "do good on the Sabbath, just like any other day."

balasta boy said:
so you really believe that your explanation is reasonable
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Well, there's a limit to how reasonable we can be. We are dealing with the Bible, after all. :)

balasta boy said:
even you friend you don't know the context of that text that you gave.
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And you do? Please share.
 
james2ko

james2ko

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Pegg said:
No, he wanted the Isrealites to set aside a specific day. The christians were not asked to do so.

If you want to set a day aside, you should by all means do that. But a greater purpose is to enter Gods rest every day. That doesnt mean you cannot work to earn a living. You can. But what it means is that you can join God in his purposes and be included in his plan for mankind. :)
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Perhaps that is what the Watchtower is teaching you but that is certainly not what Scripture teaches. There are two different Greek words for rest used in Heb 4 and one of them is "sabbatismos" which literally means a "keeping of the sabbath". It's amazing how Christians perform somersaults over this simple passage. But that's ok. It is supposed to be this way. God is not attempting to save us all just yet, right? ;)
 
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