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Samir Kuntar: the world should know!

Jayhawker Soule

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Premium Member
From The Washington Post:

The World Should Know What He Did to My Family​

Abu Abbas, the former head of a Palestinian terrorist group who was captured in Iraq on April 15, is infamous for masterminding the 1985 hijacking of the Italian cruise ship Achille Lauro. But there are probably few who remember why Abbas's terrorists held the ship and its 400-plus passengers hostage for two days. It was to gain the release of a Lebanese terrorist named Samir Kuntar, who is locked up in an Israeli prison for life. Kuntar's name is all but unknown to the world. But I know it well. Because almost a quarter of a century ago, Kuntar murdered my family.

It was a murder of unimaginable cruelty, crueler even than the murder of Leon Klinghoffer, the American tourist who was shot on the Achille Lauro and dumped overboard in his wheelchair. Kuntar's mission against my family, which never made world headlines, was also masterminded by Abu Abbas. And my wish now is that this terrorist leader should be prosecuted in the United States, so that the world may know of all his terrorist acts, not the least of which is what he did to my family on April 22, 1979.

It had been a peaceful Sabbath day. My husband, Danny, and I had picnicked with our little girls, Einat, 4, and Yael, 2, on the beach not far from our home in Nahariya, a city on the northern coast of Israel, about six miles south of the Lebanese border. Around midnight, we were asleep in our apartment when four terrorists, sent by Abu Abbas from Lebanon, landed in a rubber boat on the beach two blocks away. Gunfire and exploding grenades awakened us as the terrorists burst into our building. They had already killed a police officer. As they charged up to the floor above ours, I opened the door to our apartment. In the moment before the hall light went off, they turned and saw me. As they moved on, our neighbor from the upper floor came running down the stairs. I grabbed her and pushed her inside our apartment and slammed the door.

Outside, we could hear the men storming about. Desperately, we sought to hide. Danny helped our neighbor climb into a crawl space above our bedroom; I went in behind her with Yael in my arms. Then Danny grabbed Einat and was dashing out the front door to take refuge in an underground shelter when the terrorists came crashing into our flat. They held Danny and Einat while they searched for me and Yael, knowing there were more people in the apartment. I will never forget the joy and the hatred in their voices as they swaggered about hunting for us, firing their guns and throwing grenades. I knew that if Yael cried out, the terrorists would toss a grenade into the crawl space and we would be killed. So I kept my hand over her mouth, hoping she could breathe. As I lay there, I remembered my mother telling me how she had hidden from the Nazis during the Holocaust. "This is just like what happened to my mother," I thought.

As police began to arrive, the terrorists took Danny and Einat down to the beach. There, according to eyewitnesses, one of them shot Danny in front of Einat so that his death would be the last sight she would ever see. Then he smashed my little girl's skull in against a rock with his rifle butt.

That terrorist was Samir Kuntar.

By the time we were rescued from the crawl space, hours later, Yael, too, was dead. In trying to save all our lives, I had smothered her.

The next day, Abu Abbas announced from Beirut that the terrorist attack in Nahariya had been carried out "to protest the signing of the Egyptian-Israeli peace treaty" at Camp David the previous year. Abbas seems to have a gift for charming journalists, but imagine the character of a man who protests an act of peace by committing an act of slaughter.​
Hizbolluh demands the release of Samir Kuntar as a precondition for releasing the Israeli soldiers.
 

James the Persian

Dreptcredincios Crestin
I sincerely hope that Israel never even considers releasing such a monster. I honestly can't say anything else. I want to but the image of that poor girl is going through my mind and whatever comes out is liable to be less than fitting for one who tries to be a Christian.

James
 

Jayhawker Soule

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Premium Member
Samir Kuntar is an exemplar of Hizbolluh. When you think of Lebanon, remember Einat, 4, and Yael, 2, and think of thousands of Kuntars amassing and arming on your border.
 

jewscout

Religious Zionist
Jayhawker Soule said:
Samir Kuntar is an exemplar of Hizbolluh. When you think of Lebanon, remember Einat, 4, and Yael, 2, and think of thousands of Kuntars amassing and arming on your border.

*sarcastically* but Jay, they are just defending Lebanon from mean ole Israel:rolleyes:
 

James the Persian

Dreptcredincios Crestin
Light said:

Is it just me or does that site appear not to mention any reason whatsoever for his being imprisoned? That silence coupled with the fact that it seems to crow about him calling himself a martyr shows me just about all I need to know when figuring out the bias of the site (not that I couldn't have guessed). Tell me, Light, would you generally approve of governments releasing child murderers from jail, or only if they are Muslim and the government in question is Israeli? The simple length of time someone spends incarcerated is not necessarily a bad thing. Some people spend long periods in prison because they deserve to.

James
 

!Fluffy!

Lacking Common Sense
My God. Why isn't this monster dead already. Did you all read he rest of it...

"Two of Abbas's terrorists had been killed by police on the beach. The other two were captured, convicted and sentenced to life in prison. Despite my protests, one was released in a prisoner exchange for Israeli POWs several months before the Achille Lauro hijacking. Abu Abbas was determined to find a way to free Kuntar as well. So he engineered the hijacking of the Achille Lauro off the coast of Egypt and demanded the release of 50 Arab terrorists from Israeli jails. The only one of those prisoners actually named was Samir Kuntar. The plight of hundreds held hostage on a cruise ship for two days at sea lent itself to massive international media coverage. The attack on Nahariya, by contrast, had taken less than an hour in the middle of the night. So what happened then was hardly noticed outside of Israel.

One hears the terrorists and their excusers say that they are driven to kill out of desperation. But there is always a choice. Even when you have suffered, you can choose whether to kill and ruin another's life, or whether to go on and rebuild. Even after my family was murdered, I never dreamed of taking revenge on any Arab.

But I am determined that Samir Kuntar should never be released from prison. In 1984, I had to fight my own government not to release him as part of an exchange for several Israeli soldiers who were POWs in Lebanon. I understood, of course, that the families of those POWs would gladly have agreed to the release of an Arab terrorist to get their sons back. But I told Yitzhak Rabin, then defense minister, that the blood of my family was as red as that of the POWs. Israel had always taken a position of refusing to negotiate with terrorists. If they were going to make an exception, let it be for a terrorist who was not as cruel as Kuntar. "Your job is not to be emotional," I told Rabin, "but to act rationally." And he did.

So Kuntar remains in prison. I have been shocked to learn that he has married an Israeli Arab woman who is an activist on behalf of terrorist prisoners. As the wife of a prisoner, she gets a monthly stipend from the government. I'm not too happy about that."

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Sorry to have to mention the obvious, but does this not make an excellent argument for swift execution of all convicted terrorists? Why not remove the enemy's bartering chips before they can be used again for further terrorist acts??

1. "So he engineered the hijacking of the Achille Lauro off the coast of Egypt and demanded the release of 50 Arab terrorists from Israeli jails."
2. "Hizbolluh demands the release of Samir Kuntar as a precondition for releasing the Israeli soldiers."

I'm considering a new sig line.
Sometimes I wonder if the entire free world is retarded.
 

!Fluffy!

Lacking Common Sense
"Samir Kuntar shot the father, Danny, at close range in front of his daughter in the back and drowned him in the sea to ensure he was dead. Next, he smashed the 4 year old girl's head, Einat, on beach rocks and crushed her skull with the butt of his rifle.
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Kuntar was tried and convicted for the murders of Danny and Einat Haran. He has also admitted his complicity many times and expressed pride about the killings." - Wikipedia
 

michel

Administrator Emeritus
Staff member
Jayhawker Soule said:
Samir Kuntar is an exemplar of Hizbolluh. When you think of Lebanon, remember Einat, 4, and Yael, 2, and think of thousands of Kuntars amassing and arming on your border.

I think I'd rather not think of that.........There are times when burrying one's head in the sand is the only viable way of dealing with black ominous clouds; though I dare say I ought to be doing something - but what? What does the little man in the street do ?........if you don't know, after your taking up the cause as you did.......who does? What is even worse is that while we are all bending over backwards to be P.C about this, we get a kick in the shins for our troubles.
 

!Fluffy!

Lacking Common Sense
michel said:
I think I'd rather not think of that.........There are times when burrying one's head in the sand is the only viable way of dealing with black ominous clouds; though I dare say I ought to be doing something - but what? What does the little man in the street do ?........if you don't know, after your taking up the cause as you did.......who does? What is even worse is that while we are all bending over backwards to be P.C about this, we get a kick in the shins for our troubles.

A. Be brave enough to Stop bending over backwards. Period.
B. Arm and educate yourself the best you can
C. Keep your passport handy
D. Pray

I'd rather weather a few kicks in the shins now than have my head bashed in later...
 

doppelganger

Through the Looking Glass
Stories of tragedy echo down through the centuries. And each side has its stories of inhumanity, depravity, violence and horror. In places like Palestine and Lebanon, central Africa, and Afghanistan we see reprisals for reprisals for reprisals for reprisals . . . with no end in sight.

Where does vengeance lead us?


Paul Simon said:
How can you be a Christian?
How can you be a Jew?
How can you be a Muslim, a Buddhist, a Hindu?
How can you?

Weak as the winter sun, we enter life on earth.
Names and religion comes just after date of birth.
And everybody gets a tongue to speak,
And everyone hears an inner voice,
A day at the end of the week to wonder and rejoice.

If the answer is infinite light, why do we sleep in the dark?
 

kai

ragamuffin
michel said:
I think I'd rather not think of that.........There are times when burrying one's head in the sand is the only viable way of dealing with black ominous clouds; though I dare say I ought to be doing something - but what? What does the little man in the street do ?........if you don't know, after your taking up the cause as you did.......who does? What is even worse is that while we are all bending over backwards to be P.C about this, we get a kick in the shins for our troubles.

the little man in the street has to speak up even if its just once in his life.
 

jewscout

Religious Zionist
doppleganger said:
Stories of tragedy echo down through the centuries. And each side has its stories of inhumanity, depravity, violence and horror. In places like Palestine and Lebanon, central Africa, and Afghanistan we see reprisals for reprisals for reprisals for reprisals . . . with no end in sight.

Where does vengeance lead us?

were does blindly placed trust and appeasement lead us?
 

Booko

Deviled Hen
doppleganger said:
Comparing people to Nazi sympathizers is always a good conversation starter . . .
It's an illustration of his point about where appeasement leads us.

I'm still wondering why anyone would consider it "justice" to release someone who murdered people like this.

Is there some indication it wasn't really Samir Kuntar who is guilty? Was he wrongly convicted? Is he detained without trial? Those would all be big problems. I didn't any mention of such things in the website that Islam posted a link to, but I might've missed something.

If he was tried and rightly convicted, then letting such a man out of prison is the antithesis of justice.

It's letting the wolves out to prey on the sheep. All that means is more sheep die.

Justice must be tempered by mercy, of course. It was -- Samir Kuntar is only serving a life sentence in prison, instead of having, say, sharia law applied to him. He'd have been dead a long time ago if it were.

Sorry, but I don't see the problem with leaving him in prison. It's where he belongs.
 

evearael

Well-Known Member
Jayhawker Soule said:
Hizbolluh demands the release of Samir Kuntar as a precondition for releasing the Israeli soldiers.
Let him rot in jail.
Booko said:
It's an illustration of his point about where appeasement leads us.

I'm still wondering why anyone would consider it "justice" to release someone who murdered people like this.

Is there some indication it wasn't really Samir Kuntar who is guilty? Was he wrongly convicted? Is he detained without trial? Those would all be big problems. I didn't any mention of such things in the website that Islam posted a link to, but I might've missed something.

If he was tried and rightly convicted, then letting such a man out of prison is the antithesis of justice.

It's letting the wolves out to prey on the sheep. All that means is more sheep die.

Justice must be tempered by mercy, of course. It was -- Samir Kuntar is only serving a life sentence in prison, instead of having, say, sharia law applied to him. He'd have been dead a long time ago if it were.

Sorry, but I don't see the problem with leaving him in prison. It's where he belongs.
*Nods*
 

jewscout

Religious Zionist
doppleganger said:
LOL.


Comparing people to Nazi sympathizers is always a good conversation starter . . .


:no:

nazi sympathizer? no.

but it illustrates that giving in under the false belief of avoiding further conflict can lead to something far worse than what you were originally trying to avoid...
 
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