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Lot's of evidence. I'll try to get back to you. I have to leave now for awhile.What's your evidence? Be specific!
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Lot's of evidence. I'll try to get back to you. I have to leave now for awhile.What's your evidence? Be specific!
Really, are you sure? Personally, I haven't seen any of Satan's public statements published anywhere lately -- unlike Donald Trump, he apparently isn't even interested in texting his lies.Satan's lies never end. That's one thing that is clear.
Ummm, the satanic model is well established on the planet where I live.....it manifests in corrupt governments, inept, hypocritical religions, and greedy commercial interests that drive everything we do, what we consume and how we interpret the world through their carefully prepared propaganda.....what planet do you live on where things are going well?
"Christians" do not control the world because it belongs to satan.....they have no desire to control the world because to do so is to support the devil's rulership. Some people love to live under satan's control, but no Christian should ever want to have anything to do with the way the world is ruled. They are supposed to be "NO PART" of this world. If they are up to their necks in politics, and in gaining wealth and power, then they are sleeping with the enemy. (James 4:4) That makes them enemies of God.
If you say so.....That isn't the "satanic model", if anything that is a model perpetuated by far right, conservative / imperial values and faith. Satan's domain is Cosmic, not just earthly... the earth is in power of the pretender to the throne known as Yahweh. Satan is not only that which resists these things, and tyranny, but the liberating force by which peoples' chains are broken. Satan Is, and those in power of the world deny that for the realization that we are all of Satan would weaken their position because it would no longer make them as powerful or special.
Satan controls major world organisations, governments, groups, religions from the top. Since people follow organisations or governments etc. leaders. Satan only needs a (relatively) few faithful followers to control the world.
Matthew 4:9-10
Again, the devil taketh him up into an exceeding high mountain, and sheweth him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them; And saith unto him, All these things will I give thee, if thou wilt fall down and worship me. Then saith Jesus unto him, Get thee hence, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve.
John 14:30
Hereafter I will not talk much with you: for the prince of this world cometh, and hath nothing in me.
John 18:36
Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence.
I claim Satan controls the world from the top.
Satan controls major world organisations, governments, groups, religions from the top. Since people follow organisations or governments etc. leaders. Satan only needs a (relatively) few faithful followers to control the world.
Matthew 4:9-10
Again, the devil taketh him up into an exceeding high mountain, and sheweth him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them; And saith unto him, All these things will I give thee, if thou wilt fall down and worship me. Then saith Jesus unto him, Get thee hence, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve.
John 14:30
Hereafter I will not talk much with you: for the prince of this world cometh, and hath nothing in me.
John 18:36
Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence.
Satan controls major world organisations, governments, groups, religions from the top. Since people follow organisations or governments etc. leaders. Satan only needs a (relatively) few faithful followers to control the world.
Matthew 4:9-10
Again, the devil taketh him up into an exceeding high mountain, and sheweth him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them; And saith unto him, All these things will I give thee, if thou wilt fall down and worship me. Then saith Jesus unto him, Get thee hence, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve.
John 14:30
Hereafter I will not talk much with you: for the prince of this world cometh, and hath nothing in me.
John 18:36
Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence.
If you haven't noticed the world is a really messed up place for supposedly being run by such "great" religious people. They like to appear as one thing and live double lives. They don't want us to know who they really are ... unlike your kind of satanist who enjoys appearing a certain way. If the world isn't behaving in a satanic model; I don't know what a satanic model is then.
I see you're a satanist. But that could mean a lot of things to different people. The people I talk about are really messed up people and there is a lot of proof.
For example?However, he does lie to them also. Satan's lies never end.
Satan controls major world organisations, governments, groups, religions from the top. Since people follow organisations or governments etc. leaders. Satan only needs a (relatively) few faithful followers to control the world.
Matthew 4:9-10
Again, the devil taketh him up into an exceeding high mountain, and sheweth him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them; And saith unto him, All these things will I give thee, if thou wilt fall down and worship me. Then saith Jesus unto him, Get thee hence, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve.
John 14:30
Hereafter I will not talk much with you: for the prince of this world cometh, and hath nothing in me.
John 18:36
Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence.
I form the light and create darkness,
I bring prosperity and create disaster;
I, the Lord, do all these things.
If you think about the word “authority,” it comes from the word “author.” We know from Genesis 1 that God is the Author of the entire universe (including Satan himself)! Remember, Satan is an angel, created by God. Satan is not divine. He is not God’s equal. The closest Satan comes to being an author is by twisting what God has done, and turning it into sin. He’s the author of lies.
Jesus referred to him as “the ruler of this world” (John 12:31), and Paul calls him “the prince of the power of the air” (Ephesians 2:2) and “the god of this world” (2 Corinthians 4:4). John makes a further distinction when he says: “We know that we are of God, and the whole world is in the power of the evil one” (1 John 5:19). These references leave us with the question: In what sense does Satan “rule” the world?
The Bible frequently uses “the world” or “this world” to refer to the present evil system of opposition to God. So, the Bible never teaches that Satan actually rules over the entire world, but that he is ruler over the current system of sinful opposition to God.
Fear God Alone
28Do not be afraid of those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. Instead, fear the One who can destroy both soul and body in hell.
You mean you've never heard politicians, church leaders or greedy corporate CEO's speak?Really, are you sure? Personally, I haven't seen any of Satan's public statements published anywhere lately
So could you point out a few of the more recent of Satan's lies that you've noticed, and how you know they're untrue? I mean, after all, you do say "that's one thing that is clear."
I agree. I don't even know what to believe anymore. With Satan in charge, where did the lies start and where do they end? He could have even altered the Bible. We don't know. We cannot be sure of anything.Satan controls major world organisations, governments, groups, religions from the top. Since people follow organisations or governments etc. leaders. Satan only needs a (relatively) few faithful followers to control the world.
Matthew 4:9-10
Again, the devil taketh him up into an exceeding high mountain, and sheweth him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them; And saith unto him, All these things will I give thee, if thou wilt fall down and worship me. Then saith Jesus unto him, Get thee hence, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve.
John 14:30
Hereafter I will not talk much with you: for the prince of this world cometh, and hath nothing in me.
John 18:36
Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence.
I can't even be sure that you are not a part of it. How can I know anything? That would be just like Satan. How can I trust the government about aliens when Satan is in charge. I mean they say they do not exist, but how are we supposed to believe that?Satan controls major world organisations, governments, groups, religions from the top. Since people follow organisations or governments etc. leaders. Satan only needs a (relatively) few faithful followers to control the world.
Matthew 4:9-10
Again, the devil taketh him up into an exceeding high mountain, and sheweth him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them; And saith unto him, All these things will I give thee, if thou wilt fall down and worship me. Then saith Jesus unto him, Get thee hence, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve.
John 14:30
Hereafter I will not talk much with you: for the prince of this world cometh, and hath nothing in me.
John 18:36
Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence.
There's no debate to be had, there's just "here are my own very niche and arcane apocalyptic beliefs, and anyone who disagrees with anything I have to say is a tool of Satan"What is it you wish to debate?
It's the basic unfalsifiable model that lies at the heart of so much fundamentalist thinking. Basically "anything I believe and personally approve of is truth, goodness and light direct from Jesus himself, and anything I don't believe and personally disapprove of is evil lies direct from Satan".I agree. I don't even know what to believe anymore. With Satan in charge, where did the lies start and where do they end? He could have even altered the Bible. We don't know. We cannot be sure of anything.
I wish. Then we'd be better at that live and let live thing, and respect would be more common.I claim Satan controls the world from the top.
Well, isn't that special. Hmmm? I think you are trying to control my mind. I agree with everything you say. Then again, maybe you aren't who you say you are. You could be someone else or under the control of someone else. Who could it be? Who runs everything and controls everything? I don't know.It's the basic unfalsifiable model that lies at the heart of so much fundamentalist thinking. Basically "anything I believe and personally approve of is truth, goodness and light direct from Jesus himself, and anything I don't believe and personally disapprove of is evil lies direct from Satan".
It's a perfect argument, it justifies anything, it rationalises anything, and it excuses anything. Aside from the fact it's illogical rubbish, it's
wonderful.
See also: "Any biological system with flaws or detriments is proof of The Fall, any biological system that works well is proof of Divine Design".