Satan, Devil, Demons, Magic, Pagans, etc, all fake?

[FakeOrReal]

Personally, do you guys think the entity described in the bible as malignant is real? I mean the bible is messed up because it doesn't always tell you when this actually happened and this didn't, symbolic or not, neopagans, satanists (who don't believe in the Satan from the bible (lol?) Magic, demons, possessions, I mean SOOO MUCHH STUFFF do any of you think some is real and is there logical/substantial proof for some?

Pagans and witches, they're popular sort of, and are involved in "magic" right? But is there proof of it? How about India and Chakra? I mean ZOMG so many theories!! GAH

thx

 

[Trey of Diamonds]

I believe they are inaccurate explantions for observed phenomena. So while the phenomena might have been real, the primative explanation is not. I also believe this about all religions as well, not just the bad things you listed.

 

[Breathe]

Personally, do you guys think the entity described in the bible as malignant is real?

Nope.

I mean the bible is messed up because it doesn't always tell you when this actually happened and this didn't, symbolic or not,

It doesn't, but my advice is to take most of it with a grain of salt.

neopagans, satanists (who don't believe in the Satan from the bible (lol?) Magic, demons, possessions, I mean SOOO MUCHH STUFFF do any of you think some is real and is there logical/substantial proof for some?

Think some is real, I'd say probably. Some things. Not others.
Proof? Naw. Not yet anyway. Maybe never.

Pagans and witches, they're popular sort of, and are involved in "magic" right? But is there proof of it? How about India and Chakra? I mean ZOMG so many theories!!

Who knows?
There's many different interpretations of what "magic" is as well.

 

[rusra02]

Personally, do you guys think the entity described in the bible as malignant is real? I mean the bible is messed up because it doesn't always tell you when this actually happened and this didn't, symbolic or not, neopagans, satanists (who don't believe in the Satan from the bible (lol?) Magic, demons, possessions, I mean SOOO MUCHH STUFFF do any of you think some is real and is there logical/substantial proof for some?

Pagans and witches, they're popular sort of, and are involved in "magic" right? But is there proof of it? How about India and Chakra? I mean ZOMG so many theories!! GAH

thx

I believe wicked spirits, including the Devil, are real and vicious. (Mark 5:2-5) The Bible clearly identifies who these spirits are, how they became wicked, and what their motivation is. (Revelation 12:7-12) The Bible is a definitive record of man's history, and does provide detailed chronology of events relating to God's purposes.
It is not the Bible that is "messed up", in my opinion, but rather those who claim to teach the Bible but instead misrepresent what it teaches. In fact, the Bible is the best, most reliable source of information about the Devil and other wicked spirits.

 

[jasonwill2]

Personally, do you guys think the entity described in the bible as malignant is real? I mean the bible is messed up because it doesn't always tell you when this actually happened and this didn't, symbolic or not, neopagans, satanists (who don't believe in the Satan from the bible (lol?) Magic, demons, possessions, I mean SOOO MUCHH STUFFF do any of you think some is real and is there logical/substantial proof for some?

Pagans and witches, they're popular sort of, and are involved in "magic" right? But is there proof of it? How about India and Chakra? I mean ZOMG so many theories!! GAH

thx

Of course I don't believe in the Satan of Christianity, I believe in Satan in the Jewish sense, one that tests your character and faith. Though I expand on it to say that he just tests and accuses in general, and as the spirit of adversity is the embodiment of the Darwinian struggle for resources and survival of the fittest. And since Satan is just a title, I can call this thing Satan as it perfectly fits the description of my god.

The idea that "Satan" is the name of the devil is a Christian invention, it was an addition. In Judaism Satan is just a pronoun/title for someone like a prosecutor or a spymaster. Though it literally just means: "accuser, adversary, opposition", it was generally used to describe any kind of general opposition from a person or prosecutor angel that was like a test or challenge to the person. In that sense Satan tests me all the time to better myself through channeling my instincts into a fuel for personal growth.

I believe wicked spirits, including the Devil, are real and vicious. (Mark 5:2-5) The Bible clearly identifies who these spirits are, how they became wicked, and what their motivation is. (Revelation 12:7-12) The Bible is a definitive record of man's history, and does provide detailed chronology of events relating to God's purposes.
It is not the Bible that is "messed up", in my opinion, but rather those who claim to teach the Bible but instead misrepresent what it teaches. In fact, the Bible is the best, most reliable source of information about the Devil and other wicked spirits.

I would say that you obviously understand it like most Christians: incorrect and filled with revisions of historic views. All that stuff was added, none of what you said held true for over a thousand years until Christianity came on the scene and started twisting the Old Testament to suit their needs. As for the New Testament, the Christian founders just basically wrote what they wanted. Both parts were written by different religions with different goals. If one studies deep enough they will find that the Old Testament and the New Testament just DON'T MAKE SENSE in relation to one another without a lot of twisting and "reading them in" in ultra subtle ways.

 

[Gjallarhorn]

Personally, do you guys think the entity described in the bible as malignant is real?

Real in once sense, fake in many others.

I mean the bible is messed up because it doesn't always tell you when this actually happened and this didn't, symbolic or not, neopagans, satanists (who don't believe in the Satan from the bible (lol?) Magic, demons, possessions, I mean SOOO MUCHH STUFFF do any of you think some is real and is there logical/substantial proof for some?

Magic is real (in a sense), demons are real (in a sense), possession is real (in a sense).

Pagans and witches, they're popular sort of, and are involved in "magic" right? But is there proof of it? How about India and Chakra? I mean ZOMG so many theories!! GAH

thx

Proof? No proof, just usefulness. Why would magic waste its time with science? They are completely different fields.

 

[jasonwill2]

I would like to note again that Satan doesn't just appear in Christianity, he also appears in Judaism, and Judaism is where he originated. As a Satanist I identify more with his Jewish annotations than his Christian connotations.

Since Satanists were directly mentioned I will say that I literally believe in a Satan very similar way to the Old Testament Satans (but as a form of god), just not in the "devil" described in the New Testament.

 

[Bob Dixon]

Satan, demons, etc. nothing but projections of our own negative qualities, as perceived by the writers of those texts.

Of course, magic isn't real. Not in that sense, anyway.

 

[jasonwill2]

Satan, demons, etc. nothing but projections of our own negative qualities, as perceived by the writers of those texts.

Of course, magic isn't real. Not in that sense, anyway.

I don't see how you can say it isn't real "in that sense" when he didn't even describe what he meant by magic other than mentioning "Charka" which I think he was just giving as an example of one kind of magic. Though if you know something about charka then tell me, because I just thought it was a life energy, I don't know what it even has to do with magic.

 

[Pastek]

Personally, do you guys think the entity described in the bible as malignant is real?

Why not ?

Magic, demons, possessions, I mean SOOO MUCHH STUFFF do any of you think some is real and is there logical/substantial proof for some?

Pagans and witches, they're popular sort of, and are involved in "magic" right? But is there proof of it?

There is a section here in the forum about that. And people are saying they do practice magic. But i don't know what they do exactly. I remember they said that you have to be careful with that stuff etc...

Those people i'm not sure they are believers (of course they can be), yet they practice this thing. So, why not believing in what it says about that in the Bible ?

Satan, demons, etc. nothing but projections of our own negative qualities, as perceived by the writers of those texts.

Of course, magic isn't real. Not in that sense, anyway.

In which sense then ?
As a christian, how do you understand what did Jesus with the demons ?
I remember there was a woman who came to Jesus saying his child is tortured by demons.

 

[jasonwill2]

There is a section here in the forum about that. And people are saying they do practice magic. But i don't know what they do exactly. I remember they said that you have to be careful with that stuff etc...

Those people i'm not sure they are believers (of course they can be), yet they practice this thing. So, why not believing in what it says about that in the Bible ?

It really depends on who you ask what we do or how it works, but yes many people do practice magic here and I have personally seen the power of magic work in my life.

 

[Quintessence]

Yup. I'm definitely fake. See? *holds out arm* I'm made of plastic!

Sorry, but I can't seem to develop a coherent response to relatively incomprehensible gibberish. FakeorReal, please type out your words and use proper English. Thank you.

 

[Iti oj]

Im z neopagan chaos shaman who practices magic and anamism but its not really real is symbolic and its fun and useful but nor real so to speak but what's more real then your perceptions?

 

[Pastek]

It really depends on who you ask what we do or how it works, but yes many people do practice magic here and I have personally seen the power of magic work in my life.

Did the magic made you believe in Satan and God both ?

May I ask, why you do practice magic (for earning money, for your personnal life ect ?)
Do you make nightmares ?

What do you believe about what said Jesus about the demons ?
Do you think it's possible ? Do you think it can hurt a lot someone ?

 

[jasonwill2]

Im z neopagan chaos shaman who practices magic and anamism but its not really real is symbolic and its fun and useful but nor real so to speak but what's more real then your perceptions?

"I'm a neo-pagan chaos shaman who practices magic and animism, but it's not really real. It is symbolic, fun, and useful, but not real so to speak. What's more real than your perceptions?"

OK, I normally don't bust on you, but what is so hard about typing? Are you dyslexic or just lazy? Also I don't think that he will get that you are actually a chaos magician who uses the word shaman as a more accurate term, but who assumes animism and uses shifting pagan paragons for a purely pragmatic frame-work of belief for his rituals. As opposed to what that sounds like to someone unacquainted with Left Hand Path magic in general.

 

[jasonwill2]

Did the magic made you believe in Satan and God both ?

Satan is just a specific form of Leviathan (God). So to answer your question, I actually believed in first Satanism, then spirits, then magic, then God. I found that Satanism was the most appealing and correct religion for me, then I had an experience with demons, then I started to practice magic, then I came to realize that Satan is a subset of God.

May I ask, why you do practice magic (for earning money, for your personnal life ect ?)
Do you make nightmares ?

I don't see why I would give nightmares to people, though that is in interesting idea. I mostly practice magic to just have a connection with the things around me and with my inner-self, but mostly I use magic to help myself grow emotionally and spiritually. Sometimes I also use magic to help me get money as I really need it, being unemployed and all. I hardly see that as bad though since I really need it just to get by.

A couple times though I have tried to hurt people with magic, but it really didn't work. Most of my success seems to be with magic that just helps me in some way, either emotionally or materially. Though I used to deal with spirits a lot more than I do now.

What do you believe about what said Jesus about the demons ?
Do you think it's possible ? Do you think it can hurt a lot someone ?

I don't believe what he said. A d(a)emon in ancient times was like a guardian or teacher spirit that would help people or give them advice. A few were violent, but that was just a few. I think that demons can hurt people, but not in any physically serious way for the most part. I also think that demons hurting people is uncommon. Actually, most demons just ignore people in general.

 

[Father Heathen]

"The devil" is something we've dreamed up and attributed/associated aspects of our own humanity to/with, a projection and personification of our nature.

 

[Iti oj]

"I'm a neo-pagan chaos shaman who practices magic and animism, but it's not really real. It is symbolic, fun, and useful, but not real so to speak. What's more real than your perceptions?"

OK, I normally don't bust on you, but what is so hard about typing? Are you dyslexic or just lazy? Also I don't think that he will get that you are actually a chaos magician who uses the word shaman as a more accurate term, but who assumes animism and uses shifting pagan paragons for a purely pragmatic frame-work of belief for his rituals. As opposed to what that sounds like to someone unacquainted with Left Hand Path magic in general.

Wow you right that is bad. And its a little bit of both to be honest.
if my post was unclear to the op you definitely cleared up any misconceptions.

 

[Iti oj]

Did the magic made you believe in Satan and God both ?

May I ask, why you do practice magic (for earning money, for your personnal life ect ?)
Do you make nightmares ?

What do you believe about what said Jesus about the demons ?
Do you think it's possible ? Do you think it can hurt a lot someone ?

Magic is no more evil then religion. Some people use it for evil most use it for good.

 

[Bob Dixon]

In which sense then ?
As a christian, how do you understand what did Jesus with the demons ?
I remember there was a woman who came to Jesus saying his child is tortured by demons.

In which sense? I don't know. Maybe in no sense at all.

As a Christian, I can interpret Jesus casting demons out in one of two ways.
a) I can take the stories literally and say that he was curing people of mental ilness (which they didn't understand back then, so they used "demons" to explain it).
b) I can take the stories figuratively, saying that it's a symbol of Jesus casting our own negative aspects out of us (or, perhaps, us casting our own negative aspects away by following Jesus' teachings).
But I refuse to believe in supernatural things.