Satan : Universe

[Thief]

Did I miss it?
Is Satanism being described as a discipline?

And if so, to which portion is denial used?

Would a Satanist object?
Do unto others as you would have it done unto you.

 

[Satans_Serrated_Edge]

Nifty thread. I had considered making one similar but I hadn't gotten around to it. I am in basic agreeance with all of the information provided so far by my Satanic bretheren
Couple of things though.

but name satan refers to a creature that rebelled God. if someone introduce himself to me as Satanist i would perceive him as someone who worships that creature and i won't be the only one. though you're talking about something different.

i was asking you personally but of course, anyone should respond in case they wish to

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Satan in the original hebrew wasn't a proper noun, but an office, or a role. It literally means opposer, adversary or accuser. It is in this context the Satanist understands Satan.He is an archetype, as well as a position on religious matters and life itself.

On the other hand, having believers think you are literally hand in hand with the devil himself can sometimes be a boon

Did I miss it?
Is Satanism being described as a discipline?

I supose that depends what you mean by discipline in this instance.

And if so, to which portion is denial used?

What?

Would a Satanist object?
Do unto others as you would have it done unto you.

That is good up to a point, at which time it is replaced by 'do unto others as they do unto you'

 

[Thief]

Nifty thread. I had considered making one similar but I hadn't gotten around to it. I am in basic agreeance with all of the information provided so far by my Satanic bretheren
Couple of things though.


Satan in the original hebrew wasn't a proper noun, but an office, or a role. It literally means opposer, adversary or accuser. It is in this context the Satanist understands Satan.He is an archetype, as well as a position on religious matters and life itself.

On the other hand, having believers think you are literally hand in hand with the devil himself can sometimes be a boon


I supose that depends what you mean by discipline in this instance.
What?
That is good up to a point, at which time it is replaced by 'do unto others as they do unto you'

Alliance requires some common ground.
You know your brethren by their pronouncements.
As brethren....it is understood....there are some things you will not do.
There are lines you will not cross.

Your brothers cannot trust you if you have no restraint..no denial.

 

[Thesavorofpan]

A Satanist knows that without Satan, or eternal damnation, religionists would have nothing to threaten their followers with. “If god is merciful why fear him?” because religionists use fear as their means for the power of their god.

I know this is not a debate part of the site, but this is a common misconception. Satan has no power over you torment, in fact if your one of the unfortunate people to go to hell you can bet your bottom dollar you'll see him in the lake of fire too. With fearing God, it doesn't stand for tremble or being scared of God, it means Respect knowing that God created everything and has all the power.

Though I have a question that I didn't think your post was clear enough to answer. If you don't worship Satan or believe in him why do you call yourself satinist?

 

[Satans_Serrated_Edge]

I know this is not a debate part of the site, but this is a common misconception. Satan has no power over you torment, in fact if your one of the unfortunate people to go to hell you can bet your bottom dollar you'll see him in the lake of fire too. With fearing God, it doesn't stand for tremble or being scared of God, it means Respect knowing that God created everything and has all the power.

Follow your own advice and take your rancid preaching elsewhere. This is a DIR forum and you are in clear violation of the rules. If we want to see christian preaching nonsense we will read the apropriate DIR for that. If you want to post it please keep it there.

Though I have a question that I didn't think your post was clear enough to answer. If you don't worship Satan or believe in him why do you call yourself satinist?

Firstly, satin is a fabric and I'm quite sure nobody worships it. Secondly, this question has already been answered in this thread. Why don't you start there?

 

[Satans_Serrated_Edge]

Alliance requires some common ground.
You know your brethren by their pronouncements.
As brethren....it is understood....there are some things you will not do.
There are lines you will not cross.

Your brothers cannot trust you if you have no restraint..no denial.

If you have a question then ask it.

 

[Thief]

If you have a question then ask it.

post #21

 

[Satans_Serrated_Edge]

Post #22.

And?

 

[blackout]

Follow your own advice and take your rancid preaching elsewhere. This is a DIR forum and you are in clear violation of the rules. If we want to see christian preaching nonsense we will read the apropriate DIR for that. If you want to post it please keep it there.


Firstly, satin is a fabric and I'm quite sure nobody worships it. Secondly, this question has already been answered in this thread. Why don't you start there?

Actually this thread is in "comparative religion".
(maybe it was moved? I dunno.)

At any rate, anyone is free to post in this thread.

(though prostlyizing sp? is not allowed in general, in any forum)

 

[Orias]

I do have to say that I learned a lot about LHP faiths, here on RF, by looking around and keeping an open mind. While it is not the path for me, I learned that you guys are not what I thought. I actually feel rather comfortable when I post in the LHP directories.

I am glad you are willing to comminucate . We learn much from you as well.

 

[Thief]

Post #22.

And?

Apparently, you were unable to follow.
I prefer 'unable' as compared to 'unwilling'.

Let's try that again.

Some portion of Satanism is a discipline.
If not, then Satanism has no description, because there are no lines drawn.

The lines drawn, are the types of behavior you will not perform.
You know yourself by your personal restraint.
You know your brethren by their shared restraint.

Discipline is self-denial.
What denial does a Satanist practice?
Lust has been mentioned....but not forbidden.
How about greed? envy? gluttony? vanity?

We humans lean to these things when not taught restraint...self-denial.

Do you believe humanity would be better off? without self-denial?

But of course, should a Satanist profess self restraint...
Does he do so for a greater power?
If so, does that greater power have a name?

 

[Orias]

interesting. thank you for taking time and explaining. so how do you exactly define your true self? and what do you do to become your true self?

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No problem. My true self is a person that I only I and my brother know. In my book we are of pure descent for we are willing to accept the words of anyone, and are willing to acknowledge their opinion, though we may disagree. The true self lies within the mind, and all the secerets within. To be a being of natural life, I do not deny my emotions I feel, for they are strong, and I do not deny my mistakes I have made for I learn from them. It is all about accepting the true malignance of the human nature and overcomming the general society. Seeking enlightenment and knowing all that you could possibly know to become the alpha among the herd.

Through dedication and contemplation we strive to reach a better a higher and more complex thought process, a science beyond science is what I would like to call it. I don't know about the others though.

If you look at scientific theories, they are no better than Heaven or Hell or God and Satan as physical dieties, as they are just guesses or hypothesis. Sure they can say that there is math behind it, but they can't prove the Stage 1 Alternate Dimension or any of the other stages.

Our goal is to reach a logic that is easy to comprehend and sophisticate enough for people to harmonize with nature and become all they were meant to be.

 

[Orias]

Apparently, you were unable to follow.
I prefer 'unable' as compared to 'unwilling'.

Let's try that again.

Some portion of Satanism is a discipline.
If not, then Satanism has no description, because there are no lines drawn.

But there is laws and cardinal sins, like stupidity and solipsism. It is a discipline of ones inner mind to be able to lash out with rationality and not complete and utter stupid anger.


The lines drawn, are the types of behavior you will not perform.


You know yourself by your personal restraint.
You know your brethren by their shared restraint.

Of course

Discipline is self-denial.
What denial does a Satanist practice?
Lust has been mentioned....but not forbidden.
How about greed? envy? gluttony? vanity?

Discipline is not self denial, more of self control, and making sure your mistakes are little and lessonful. Satanists pracitce all emotions and all things as they all lead to enlightenment.

We humans lean to these things when not taught restraint...self-denial.

Do you believe humanity would be better off? without self-denial?

Why deny who we are? I don't think anyone besides religious peoples deny themselves.

But of course, should a Satanist profess self restraint...
Does he do so for a greater power?
If so, does that greater power have a name?

The greater power is us, the mind, and the life of existence and nature. As I said previous, we are not theistic, the highest power is us. The restraint is for better, we know not all people would agree with us, so we listen first then speak if they are willing to hear. If we didn't restrain stupidity would gain grasp on us, like it already has on most of society.

 

[Thief]

The greater power is us, the mind, and the life of existence and nature. As I said previous, we are not theistic, the highest power is us. The restraint is for better, we know not all people would agree with us, so we listen first then speak if they are willing to hear. If we didn't restrain stupidity would gain grasp on us, like it already has on most of society.

So you have no deity before you?
No one greater than yourself?
No spiritual life beyond death?

 

[Orias]

So you have no deity before you?
No one greater than yourself?
No spiritual life beyond death?

You should read the first post.

 

[Orias]

During my short time here on RF, I would say that out of the many groups I've interacted with and who’s comments I’ve read, some of the individuals that call themselves Satanists have impressed me the most. As a result, I have considerably change my perception of Satanists, and more clearly see how ridiculously Hollywood, the media and religionists portray them. Ironically, also since joining RF, my opinion on a few other groups has also change, but in the negative... based on the shallow, religiously-inspired, bigoted comments and opinions made by members of these other groups.

Hail Satan!

Ha, I am glad you are willing to see all the meanings of life.

 

[Thief]

You should read the first post.

Yeah..I read it. I was just wondering.
Like many other postings I've been through....it has that air of 'proclamation'.

I don't mind though. Everyone believes he has it right.

But do you refrain belief in life after death?

Here in this world...we have hierarchy.
There seems to be someone 'next up', no matter what aspect you choose.
Authority assumes many roles, and many points of control.

If you seek only yourself (no one greater), will there be anyone standing over you, when you lay down to surrender your last breath?
Any kindred spirits?

 

[Orias]

Yeah..I read it. I was just wondering.
Like many other postings I've been through....it has that air of 'proclamation'.

All belief is proclamation, that is what society and government thrives off of, they think they are right, and are willing to oppress the will of others to prove it. Dominance is the word.

I don't mind though. Everyone believes he has it right.

If a person is true to their belief, they are right. No matter what. Because you cannot prove them wrong, because it is a matter of perception, and all perceptions are true. Though I tend to disagree with most religious folk, I can still respect their position as a human. We are the same after all, yet we are different.

But do you refrain belief in life after death?

After death I believe that there is nothing.

Here in this world...we have hierarchy.
There seems to be someone 'next up', no matter what aspect you choose.
Authority assumes many roles, and many points of control.

Who gives authority control? No one, authority takes it, oppressing the will of others. There is always a higher up, that doesn't mean they are better than anyone. Like politicians for example, they can be good with words and they can assume a belief to gain a majority favor, that doesn't mean they understand the words they say or actually believe in what they say they do. If God does exist who is above him? That is why I chose not to believe, because they would be a never ending cycle. There already is an inifinity of the mind, I don't need an infinite amount of gods. The only thing is nature, and that is the creed I represent. Vital existence, not spiritual pipe dreams.

If you seek only yourself (no one greater), will there be anyone standing over you, when you lay down to surrender your last breath?
Any kindred spirits?

The life I live is mine, and I live for no one. Who said I will be laying down when I die? I would rather die in a more dominant, upright position.

 

[Orias]

I know this is not a debate part of the site, but this is a common misconception. Satan has no power over you torment, in fact if your one of the unfortunate people to go to hell you can bet your bottom dollar you'll see him in the lake of fire too. With fearing God, it doesn't stand for tremble or being scared of God, it means Respect knowing that God created everything and has all the power.

Though I have a question that I didn't think your post was clear enough to answer. If you don't worship Satan or believe in him why do you call yourself satinist?

You shouldn't speak of something you know nothing of. Why do you think the Church is all powerful? Because they control the majority. They fear 'eternal damnation' when really they know if they commit treason to the church they would be executed. Well not now days anyways. It is not about respecting God and everything he has done, for all your doing is giving the Church your money. If god created us then who created god, and who created the god of god? Do you see now?


Devil Worship is the term you have given. I know you didn't say Devil but let me make this clear.


Devil and worship are the words you have given my philosophy, I worship nothing. If anyone is a Devil Worshiper it is you, for you worship a diety that controls your life. A devil being something that posses someone.


Satan is literal for the meaning of opposition or advesary. I take that and apply it to my philosophy or way of life. In turn I learn more from becomming the opponent and questioning all things instead of just following what I was told. I am Satanic because it is more of common sense than any other faith.

 

[Orias]

Some others might dispute the belief that a person's entire existence is reduced down simply to what they feel/want/desire/project about the apparent world they see before them. What if it's just an illusion? What about the experience one has when one triumphs, and actually succeeds in aquiring what he desires? What then?....What happens afterward? Must the person continue to conquer? or must he succumb to the inevitable---that of being at last eaten by a bigger predator?

Triumph is an accomplishment of your desire or want. It is a gratifying experience that only you can hold. There is always some form of desire even when you have fulfilled the previous. The bigger predator is Earth, for when we die our bodies recycle back into the natural flow of nature.

if one only embraces the positive experiences (pleasure, happiness, desire, etc), then one is only embracing half of one's spirit, & is not fully aware, IMHO. :angel2:

You see for you must acknowledge and embrace all emotions and both positive and negative for you to become a being of true balance. By feeling love and hate, guilt and remorse, they are all magnified and intensified, leading to greater understanding of ones self and the world around them.

I believe your emotions should be strong and you should gain from all of them. If you are sad, let it all out, if you are angry beat up a bag till you cannot move, if you love so the person you mean it and never let up. Though this may make you look like a suck-up, it works for me, so it can work for others as well.