Satanists Claim Abortion a Religious Ritual

[Sheldon]

Why is it wrong to kill post birth people?

Why would you want to?

Why would you want to kill them before birth?

A pretty dishonest question yet again, and I challenge you to quote a single post where I have claimed to want to do this. Since you don't want to answer my question, then I shall have to draw the obvious inference you think it is moral to kill someone.

 

[ppp]

I think if you get pregnant you should take responsibility for that child from conception to the grave if necessary...I don't have a clue what you think.

I see you claim to be male in your profile. If you father a child does that same hold for you? Or does that responsibility only apply to pregnant persons?

If it does apply to you, do you think you should be legally bound to provide blood and organs from your own body should that child's life depend on it?

 

[Sheldon]

I think if you get pregnant you should take responsibility for that child from conception to the grave if necessary

Can you get pregnant? If not then you seem to be insisting others make a sacrifice, based on your desires and beliefs. The desire to control women, is a long standing and harmful habit of religions. I guess you can't burn them as witches anymore.

 

[ADigitalArtist]

Absolutely not. The right over your body doesn't extend to another life that is growing inside you.

Accidentally based.
You're right, the right over your body doesn't extend to the life growing inside you. As in, the life growing inside you doesn't get to dictate use of the mother's body. Only she does.

 

[Sheldon]

Sheldon said: ↑
Of course it is, that is absolutely what anti-choicers are trying to take away, a woman's right to decide what happens to her own body. In favour of the "interests" of an insentient clump of cells.

Absolutely not.

Absolutely yes.

The right over your body doesn't extend to another life that is growing inside you.

Of course it does, it is immoral to enslave all women, taking away their bodily autonomy, just for the sake of an insentient clump of cells, especially since this costs you nothing.

 

[Sheldon]

Why stop there? If killing is a religious right, why not let them sacrifice some virgins?

They could blame the virgins, the way you blamed rape victims for getting pregnant.

 

[Wildswanderer]

I see you claim to be male in your profile. If you father a child does that same hold for you? Or does that responsibility only apply to pregnant persons?

If it does apply to you, do you think you should be legally bound to provide blood and organs from your own body should that child's life depend on it?

Of course. I have several children. They aren't just my wife's responsibility. I'm just as much responsible for them as she is. No I don't think you should be required to provide a kidney, but I knew long ago that I would die for them.

 

[Wildswanderer]

Of course it does, it is immoral to enslave all women, taking away their bodily autonomy, just for the sake another human being...I'm not seeing a difference between born or unborn in this scenario.

 

[Wildswanderer]

Accidentally based.
You're right, the right over your body doesn't extend to the life growing inside you. As in, the life growing inside you doesn't get to dictate use of the mother's body. Only she does.

If by " she" you mean the baby, I agree.

 

[Wildswanderer]

Can you get pregnant? If not then you seem to be insisting others make a sacrifice, based on your desires and beliefs. The desire to control women, is a long standing and harmful habit of religions. I guess you can't burn them as witches anymore.

If you get someone else pregnant the same thing applies.

 

[ppp]

Of course. I have several children. They aren't just my wife's responsibility. I'm just as much responsible for them as she is. No I don't think you should be required to provide a kidney, but I knew long ago that I would die for them.

Cool. I feel the same way about my children. But I wouldn't try to legally compel anyone to donate their body to another either in the womb or out.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

Good grief, that's cold.

Says the guy who just put aside thousands and thousands of rape-victims as "statistically insignificant"...

Regardless, I care not for your emotional argumentation.

I guess I don't have to take any vaccines if I don't want to then?

Correct. There might be certain consequences though. Like for example "if you wish to work in a hospital, you will be required to get vaccination X and Y". But you don't have to work at a hospital if you don't agree with such policies off course.

Nobody is going to come to your house to pin you down to force-vaccinate you.
In fact, they might even go out of their way to not come anywhere near you

You are not merely failing to offer a kidney, you are killing a living being...the fact that someone has to explain this to you is ridiculous.

So should I be pinned down, knocked out and have my kidney taken against my will?
Is that your position?

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

Lol, no, I'm saying that the same standard applies. So you can have a baby and leave him on the floor to starve? Not. That will get you arrested.

The same standard does not apply.
A born baby doesn't require use of your body parts to stay alive.

You are the master and ultimate authority of your own body. Your body, your choice.
There is no point where a third party gets priority use of your own body.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

You are the one saying it's ok not to help your born child stay alive.

This is a blatant lie.
Nobody said this.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

No I don't think you should be required to provide a kidney

Why not?

 

[Sheldon]

ADigitalArtist said: ↑
Accidentally based.
You're right, the right over your body doesn't extend to the life growing inside you. As in, the life growing inside you doesn't get to dictate use of the mother's body. Only she does.

If by " she" you mean the baby, I agree.

Since there is no baby, and this is just emotive sophistry anti-choicers use, to try and cry crocodile tears for a clump of insentient cells, while their real desire is enslaving a woman without a shred of empathy. Then I'm fairly certain that is not what was meant. That, and the fact that I can read what was posted of course.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

I'm not seeing a difference between born or unborn in this scenario.

Do you see a difference between a born one that does NOT require use of body parts as opposed to unborns that DO require use of body parts?

HINT: the answer is in the question

 

[Sheldon]

Can you get pregnant? If not then you seem to be insisting others make a sacrifice, based on your desires and beliefs. The desire to control women, is a long standing and harmful habit of religions. I guess you can't burn them as witches anymore.

If you get someone else pregnant the same thing applies.

No argument, but the right to decide what happens to her body resides solely with the woman who is pregnant. It's pure ego that means some men can't stand the idea that a woman can make this choice.

 

[ADigitalArtist]

If by " she" you mean the baby, I agree.

You know I don't. The baby is never entitled to the mom's body.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

The difference is a few months.

What do you consider the blastocyst's citizenship to be?