Satanists Claim Abortion a Religious Ritual

[Sheldon]

The thing about "pro-choice" activists is that they keep moving the goalpost over the years.

I doubt it, though it's likely that dealing with ever shifting arguments of anti-choicers and revealed scientific facts help those who care to make informed rational decisions, to better evaluate their choices.

First - "Its not alive its just a clump of cells" - but that was always wrong.

I am pretty dubious anyone ever claimed it was "not alive" though it quite demonstrably is not alive in the same sense the woman whose body it is a part of is alive, and a zygote, embryo or balstocyst absolutely is a clump of insentient cells.

Then it was - "It may be alive but, its not human" - but that was always wrong.

Also a straw man fallacy you have made up, and again to claim an insentient zygote or blastocyst or even a developing foetus is human, in the same sense a pregnant woman is, is demonstrably wrong.

Now its - "It may be a living human being, but its not a person."

Since it remains part of a woman's body until it is born, topologically connected, using the woman's metabolism, and immune system, getting all nutrients and oxygen directly from the woman's blood, then it is demonstrably not an individual, so calling it human, in the sense the pregnant woman is, is again a very weak argument for taking rights away from that woman, in favour of part of her body that isn't sentient.

Since the inception of the word "person" - it always meant "an individual human being".

Well there you go, you've just defeated your own argument that a zygote blastocyst or foetus is a person, and definitely not in the same sense as the pregnant woman whose body it is a part of.

However - once "pro-choice" activists made that word their keystone - they slapped all kinds of prerequisites to what a "person" really is.

No they don't, try thinking for a minute what pro-choice infers.

And - also miraculously - only those who consider themselves to be "pro-choice" accept this new definition of the word "person",

Nice try, but another dishonest straw man, word definitions are compiled by common usage and understanding.

This is very reminiscent of slaveholders and the many arguments they used to justify why they put Black people in chains.

Since you and other anti-choicers are trying to remove bodily autonomy from half the population, the very definition of enslavement by the way, that's your poorest argument yet.

I can imagine a slaveholder saying to an abolitionist - who claimed that they shouldn't enslave other human beings

Well they did also have the Christian bible to cite, Exodus 21, which specifically endorses slavery of course. Though again this is a very poor analogy, since it is you and other anti-choicers who want to enslave women, by taking away their bodily autonomy, in order to grant rights to an insentient clump of cells that is part of that body.

 

[Sheldon]

And everyone else too.

Nope, it doesn't mess with my mind at all.

 

[Sheldon]

That is unfortunate - but it has nothing to do with abortion - does it?

Yes, since making it illegal for a woman to terminate a pregnancy will obvious exacerbate that problem and increase suffering. Women who live in poverty are much more likely to require a termination, and babies born to wealthy parents seldom end up in foster care. Such laws would increase the problem, and cause untold suffering.

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

And everyone else too.

No, not my mind.

 

[Aštra’el]

Do you even see women as humans?

Abortion isn’t an issue exclusive to women, you know. It is now understood that men can give birth and have abortions as well, so stop trying to make this all about women, bringing up “women’s rights”… especially when up until now most of these pro-abortion activists couldn’t even tell me what a woman is.

I mean, these days you see a pregnant birthing person and Lord only knows if it’s a man or a woman. Just this Sunday I had to wish my dear mother “Happy Birthing Vehicle of Unspecified Gender Who Decided Not To Terminate Their Pregnancy Day”, just so I wouldn’t come off as some evil hateful bigot.

 

[Sheldon]

50% use stats correctly, and 75% use them incorrectly.

Not really as funny, but it amply proves the point.

 

[Sheldon]

Your line of thought is extremely disturbing.

Do you even see women as humans?

Well he wants to take away their bodily autonomy, in order to grant rights to these:

 

[Sheldon]

We are just looking to see if we can at least find some common ground in the case of rape victims - no matter what percentage they account for.

In truth, for me at least, the reason / motivation for why a woman might want an abortion is not important nor relevant.

Human rights are unconditional.
When you require a kidney and I am a match and you ask me to donate a kidney, I get to say "no" without having to explain myself. My body, my choice.

Let's go further with less invasive procedures.
If you are in need of blood, a question of life or death, and I for some reason am the only one with the correct blood type and you ask me to donate blood - I also get to say "no" without having to explain myself. My body, my choice.

Why would a uterus be any different?

A very well reasoned and crafted post, kudos.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

Abortion isn’t an issue exclusive to women, you know. It is now understood that men can give birth and have abortions as well, so stop trying to make this all about women, bringing up “women’s rights”… especially when up until now most of these pro-abortion activists couldn’t even tell me what a woman is.

I mean, these days you see a pregnant birthing person and Lord only knows if it’s a man or a woman. Just this Sunday I had to wish my dear mother “Happy Birthing Vehicle of Unspecified Gender Who Decided Not To Terminate Their Pregnancy Day”, just so I wouldn’t come off as some evil hateful bigot.

Euh... ok.

Imo the right to abort is ultimately about the one who is pregnant, regardless of what you call them, as to me it is a bodily rights issue.

 

[paradox]

The Satanic abortion ritual provides spiritual comfort and affirms bodily autonomy, self-worth, and freedom from coercive forces with the affirmation of TST's Seven Tenets. The ritual is not intended to convince a person to have an abortion. Instead, it sanctifies the abortion process by instilling confidence and protecting bodily rights when undergoing the safe and scientific procedure.
https://announcement.thesatanictemple.com/rrr-campaign41280784

I find the music from the video a bit disturbing.

Do you think abortion should be protected as a religious right?

You should see the process of abortion and how it is done, your stomach would turn upside down.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

You know that abortion empowers rapists and molesters, right? Get her pregnant, send her to the clinic or get a pill, and you are free to rape again. Why are you arguing for helping rapists cover their tracks?

Where are you getting this crap from?

It generally works the opposite way: domestic abuse victims will rape their partners in the hope that they'll get pregnant, have a child, and then won't be able to leave.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

You should see the process of abortion and how it is done, your stomach would turn upside down.

My stomach turns watching cancer surgery. Therefore, cancer surgery is morally wrong.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

Abortion isn’t an issue exclusive to women, you know. It is now understood that men can give birth and have abortions as well, so stop trying to make this all about women, bringing up “women’s rights”… especially when up until now most of these pro-abortion activists couldn’t even tell me what a woman is.

You're right that trans men and some non-binary people can get pregnant and give birth, too.

However, anti-choice attitudes generally come as a package deal with all sorts of hateful nonsense, including anti-trans attitudes and misogyny.

It's not a perfect 1:1 correspondence, but being anti-choice, anti-trans and anti-woman go together more often than not.

... and often, these people's anti-choice attitudes are just one expression of their anti-woman attitudes.

 

[Altfish]

And everyone else too.

No, I'm happy with the statement, no mind messed with here.

 

[1213]

Your argument is flawed because by any objective standard an atheist is a person. An insentient egg, embryo, blastocyst, or developing foetus is not. The person is the pregnant woman whose body it is a part of.

Sorry, I don't see any objective standard, only your subjective standard.

 

[1213]

Nope, it has to be objectively demonstrable. ..

How is that done?

 

[Fallen Prophet]

It refutes the argument that a woman can give up her child for adoption. It shows that the foster care system is broken.

No - we are not talking about "children" - but newborns.

A woman who decides to give up her child for adoption - rather than abort him/her - isn't giving up a 7-year-old - but a newborn - and the waiting list for newborns is years long.

It is unfortunate when children don't get adopted - but is that a sign that any "system" is broken - or that people keep making bad choices that hurt their children?

 

[Viker]

I'd like to clear something up. The OP title is a little misleading. The TST doesn't claim abortion is a ritual. They offer comfort rituals for members having an abortion. They do take a pro-choice stance and view reproductive rights as a secular and religious right. It would be clear if one reads their page concerning the issue. I thought I'd put this in here to stem any more knee-jerk responses and "told y'all sos" ( my hope at least).

 

[SkepticThinker]

You know that abortion empowers rapists and molesters, right? Get her pregnant, send her to the clinic or get a pill, and you are free to rape again. Why are you arguing for helping rapists cover their tracks?

What???

 

[SkepticThinker]

That is unfortunate - but it has nothing to do with abortion - does it?

It has everything to do with claiming that pregnant women should just give up their babies for adoption because so many people are looking to adopt and all will be well! Well, it seems people only want to adopt babies. Not sure if you know this, but children used to be babies The foster system is full of children people don't want, but yeah, we should keep pumping out more babies. That will solve everything. Well, it won't.