Say bye bye to Tucker Carlson

[We Never Know]

But calling them "dirty" is.

Would you just let anyone walk into your house and stay?

If not, why is it ok for anyone to walk across the border into your country and stay?

 

[F1fan]

So how many fresh fruits and vegetables are you willing to give up? How much more are you willing to pay for meat? Those industries openly recruit for illegal workers in Mexico. Without big business hiring them their would be no illegal immigrant problem. Are you willing to pay the price? You could easily end up paying double for all of those goods.

I saw a news report of a farmer that tried to hire non-Hispanic workers to pick produce and he got a fraction of what he needed and none finished the week. Hispanic workers are crucial for our economy and many right wingers are not informed about their role. The hate and intolerance is all they want to hear.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Would you just let anyone walk into your house and stay?

If not, why is it ok for anyone to walk across the border into your country and stay?

We invite them in here. You invite them in here.

 

[We Never Know]

I saw a news report of a farmer that tried to hire non-Hispanic workers to pick produce and he got a fraction of what he needed and none finished the week. Hispanic workers are crucial for our economy and many right wingers are not informed about their role. The hate and intolerance is all they want to hear.

I agree. They may not be liked but they are necessary because Americans are lazy as hell and want things giving to them without putting in any effort.

 

[exchemist]

As we all know, only literal Nazis can be racist. So it's okay to round people's children up in camps and sterilize the parents due to their ethnicity. As long as you aren't wearing a swastika when you do it, it's not genocide, right?

Of course @Saint Frankenstein can’t see this, as we are on Ignore….

 

[exchemist]

I think there's a fair chance he turns up somewhere like OANN, regardless of what I want...

Shouldn’t that be ONAN?

 

[Heyo]

I think there's a fair chance he turns up somewhere like OANN, regardless of what I want...

I don't think OANN has the money or Carlson has to take a severe pay cut. (Not that he needs the money.)
I think it's more likely that he's going into politics. He already has a fan base that can turn into a constituency and he has proved that he has all the qualities required from a politician, i.e. he can spin and lie with the best of them.

 

[lewisnotmiller]

I don't think OANN has the money or Carlson has to take a severe pay cut. (Not that he needs the money.)
I think it's more likely that he's going into politics. He already has a fan base that can turn into a constituency and he has proved that he has all the qualities required from a politician, i.e. he can spin and lie with the best of them.

I mostly agree. OANN seems like a somewhat spent force. But if they got incentive, and basically turned themselves into a vehicle for Carlson to get revenge (by stealing market share) and tied his renumeration to that (or an ownership stake)...

Meh...I could see it. Unlikely, perhaps.

 

[Heyo]

So how many fresh fruits and vegetables are you willing to give up? How much more are you willing to pay for meat? Those industries openly recruit for illegal workers in Mexico. Without big business hiring them their would be no illegal immigrant problem. Are you willing to pay the price? You could easily end up paying double for all of those goods.

The refugee and immigration system of the US is fubar since forever and it stays that way on purpose. Illegals are useful for everyone who could do something about the problem.

 

[metis]

. I think American companies should be punished for outsourcing jobs to other countries, too. I also think we need to stop the illegal immigration happening because many of these people end up dead or in human trafficking or slavery rings. So it's to help protect them, too.

IMO, NAFTA was a gem that was given a bad name. Fighting against it opened the door to establishing more business deals with Asian countries. If we had continued to further making investments south of the border, there would more job opportunities there, thus lessening those needing to move north. Also, they tend to buy more North American products than Asians do.

 

[metis]

I saw a news report of a farmer that tried to hire non-Hispanic workers to pick produce and he got a fraction of what he needed and none finished the week. Hispanic workers are crucial for our economy and many right wingers are not informed about their role. The hate and intolerance is all they want to hear.

Amen to that!

One of my wife's cousins has been a very successful Christmas tree grower in northern Michigan, and every year he would complain about having a terrible time getting good workers. After quite a few years I asked him if he was having more success and he said yes. I mentioned to him that every year he'd complain, so what changed? He said that he got smart and started hiring Latinos.

 

[F1fan]

I don't think OANN has the money or Carlson has to take a severe pay cut. (Not that he needs the money.)
I think it's more likely that he's going into politics. He already has a fan base that can turn into a constituency and he has proved that he has all the qualities required from a politician, i.e. he can spin and lie with the best of them.

I could se a scenario where Carlson takes over the Trump base as Trump faces more time in court, and he be the republican nominee. He already has the following, and given his time in media he knows what he has to say to get conservatives excited. I could see moderates vote for Carlson as a "new, shiny object" and not be aware of his extremist views. I keep saying that the republicans need to hit bottom before they become stable partners with democrats. It's just whether they will take America down too as they hit bottom.

 

[Kathryn]

Tucker Carlson and Don Lemon both hired the same attorney when they were ousted.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/media/2023/04/25/bryan-freedman-lawyer-carlson-lemon/

 

[Mock Turtle]

Bye bye? Fortunately I never said hello to him.

 

[F1fan]

The refugee and immigration system of the US is fubar since forever and it stays that way on purpose. Illegals are useful for everyone who could do something about the problem.

There are plans out there for immigration reform but republicans don't want a solution to problems because they are the party of greivance, not solutions. Democrats understand that we can't let all migrants in so will have to be hard on migrants who cross the border without filing paperwork. Democrats seldom get acknowledgement by conservatives for deporting, and criticized for being humane.

I think there should be an open invitation for migrant workers as long as they pay taxes on their income as temporary workers, and come and go according to their permits. It's kind of like legalizing weed, there's a way to make it work for everyone. Republicans operate through a rigid and idealistic lense and won't give an inch.

 

[F1fan]

Tucker Carlson and Don Lemon both hired the same attorney when they were ousted.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/media/2023/04/25/bryan-freedman-lawyer-carlson-lemon/

Both are claiming they were fired for being black. Interesting.

 

[Subduction Zone]

There are plans out there for immigration reform but republicans don't want a solution to problems because they are the party of greivance, not solutions. Democrats understand that we can't let all migrants in so will have to be hard on migrants who cross the border without filing paperwork. Democrats seldom get acknowledgement by conservatives for deporting, and criticized for being humane.

I think there should be an open invitation for migrant workers as long as they pay taxes on their income as temporary workers, and come and go according to their permits. It's kind of like legalizing weed, there's a way to make it work for everyone. Republicans operate through a rigid and idealistic lense and won't give an inch.

A big part of the "illegal problem" is that our border policies now encourage migrant workers to stay here once they get across the border. The hardest part of getting a job is getting into America. Once here it is very easy for them to get the employment that they seek. If we had open borders as you suggest when they wanted to go home they would go home without fear of losing the ability to work when they need to.

At first it seems a bit counterintuitive that open borders would lower our illegal problem, but if one gets over one's hate and prejudice it is not that hard to understand.

 

[F1fan]

A big part of the "illegal problem" is that our border policies now encourage migrant workers to stay here once they get across the border. The hardest part of getting a job is getting into America. Once here it is very easy for them to get the employment that they seek. If we had open borders as you suggest when they wanted to go home they would go home without fear of losing the ability to work when they need to.

At first it seems a bit counterintuitive that open borders would lower our illegal problem, but if one gets over one's hate and prejudice it is not that hard to understand.

If migrants were issued work permits and pay taxes on income, and given temporary allowance to live in the USA, say 6 months a year, then that would be workable. Any migrant caught working without a permit gets a warning and is deported, and can't get a permit to work for a year. A second violation is a year in jail. This system could get enough revenue to help Mexico set up safe zones in border towns so migrant familes can live, and perhaps work towards citizenship.

 

[Heyo]

There are plans out there for immigration reform but republicans don't want a solution to problems because they are the party of greivance, not solutions. Democrats understand that we can't let all migrants in so will have to be hard on migrants who cross the border without filing paperwork. Democrats seldom get acknowledgement by conservatives for deporting, and criticized for being humane.

I think there should be an open invitation for migrant workers as long as they pay taxes on their income as temporary workers, and come and go according to their permits. It's kind of like legalizing weed, there's a way to make it work for everyone. Republicans operate through a rigid and idealistic lense and won't give an inch.

Democrats had the power to push legislation through multiple times. They just don't like a good disaster go to waste.

 

[Subduction Zone]

If migrants were issued work permits and pay taxes on income, and given temporary allowance to live in the USA, say 6 months a year, then that would be workable. Any migrant caught working without a permit gets a warning and is deported, and can't get a permit to work for a year. A second violation is a year in jail. This system could get enough revenue to help Mexico set up safe zones in border towns so migrant familes can live, and perhaps work towards citizenship.

They do usually pay taxes. For businesses to subtract their wages as costs they need to have Social Security numbers (though they are usually not real ones) and take the appropriate deductions for them. There is even a law on the books that is never enforced that would all but end large scale illegal immigration. There is a system set up so that employers can verify SSN's. They are even legally required to do so.. But as you pointed out neither party wants to do this because it is contrary to their own interests.

And many migrants do not want to permanently emigrate to the US. They like the country where they were born and raised and where their families live. They would be happy with coming and going. We end up making the border a one way gate. Once in they are reluctant to leave because they might not be able to come in again. So they often end up bringing in the whole family.

If one wants real border control we need to face reality. We do need migrant workers. Making it easier for them to come and go ironically gives the Republicans what they want. They will come and work for low wages, but when the season is over and the wages are scarce they will go.