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Schizophrenia: fear of death

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questfortruth said:
I define the hate as rejection without a reason of a good thread.
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People like you in my view are toxic to a significant population (people with mental issues). I personally do hate you because you make up things out of desires rather then seek truth, and have no compassion for people with schizophrenia. You rather up make up what it is, then deal with the truth of it, for your own pleasure.
 
ChristineM

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questfortruth said:
I define the hate as rejection without a reason of a good thread.
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Your personal definition of hate is not my problem. However there is good reason i won't introduced my brother in law to this thread but you will never even consider the health of others and that is why I won't introduce him
 
YoursTrue

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questfortruth said:
Schizophrenia: the subconscious fear of death
By Dmitri Martila,
Tartu University,
7.detsember.2021.

“Why you should define your fears instead of your goals | Tim Ferriss”

Any problem out or in there [any criminality, injustice, rejection, ban, insult, assault, abuse, trolling, bullying, or sin] is making the very sensitive person fear in sub-conscious mind (look the definition of sub-consciousness in Carl Jung’s papers) for own safety and life expectancy/outlook. For such a person there is no gap between his death after 40 or 70 years and today. His inner-self fears to die; the religion comforts the soul, but not so much the bodily part of a human. He notices the aging of the skin; the physical health and career possibilities are rapidly declining with age. The fear of death in sub-consciousness drives the sensitive person crazy. There is the fear of death in the Bible, look at its most revealing symptoms: “An angel from heaven appeared to him and strengthened him. And having been in agony, He was praying more earnestly. And His sweat became like great drops of blood falling down upon the ground.” Luke 22. I am not a health professional, but would a person in our clinics pray so intensely (and, thus, dangerously for himself) like that? And even hallucinate a devil or an angel? However, there is no health problem with Jesus Christ.

I see no reason to disagree with my explanation of schizoid. Behind all symptoms is fear of death. The person with the fear of death becomes crazy and kills himself. It is not obvious, because we have no access to our subconscious. I am only guessing: the person goes crazy, because there is some fear in subconscious. It is the cutting edge of science, hence the old methods of science might not work. However, the science includes the method of hypothesizing. Yes, I have large amount of clinical data to make a guess.

OK, human, you do not like my line of reasoning, but I like you very much. Please look, how good looking I am and how logical:


Such a scientists anybody should trust!


Jesus saw the angel by the way. There was extremely fear of death, and the angel has come. The main aspect of schizophrenia are the visions.


Patients do not describe their states as fear of death, or as a fear in general, because we have no access to what is happening in sub-mind.


It is absolutely not healthy to die.



Because the fear has broken the person. The person has lost the ability to think rationally. To fear is not healthy lifestyle. The Schizophrenia is the background fear, that cannot yet be completely removed by current level of medicine.

The person has lost the ability to think rationally. It is the feeling, not so much rationality:
"And he said, Abba , Father , all things are possible unto thee ; take away this cup from me" Mark 14:36.



The patient must acknowledge the sickness, in order to start taking medicine; but after many years he should add to tablets of medicine the growing feeling of normality.



Not in religious worldview. There was no death in Eden, there will be no dying in Paradise.
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I'm just beginning to read this thread and I must say you have some very interesting viewpoints. Before Adam and Eve died they were banished from the garden of Eden, so they died outside. I wonder, though, about young, very young children who are said to be schizophrenic. However, the fear of death is a real fear for many. I am not sure but I do wonder about those who might want to commit suicide. I guess(?) they don't fear death that much, they want to die I suppose. I doubt they think they'll go to the common conception of hell. (Not something I believe in like someone being tortured in 'hell,' it's simply not true. Discussion later perhaps.) On the other hand, I believe I know from my study of the Bible what death is (nothingness...) and I don't want to die but God has helped me overcome my morbid fear of death in that I now believe in a resurrection of the righteous and the unrighteous. Hope this helps add to the conversation.
 
YoursTrue

YoursTrue

Faith-confidence in what we hope for (Hebrews 11)
Conscious thoughts said:
In science, a hypothesis is an idea or explanation that you then test through study and experimentation. Outside science, a theory or guess can also be called a hypothesis. A hypothesis is something more than a wild guess but less than a well-established theory. ... Anyone who uses the word hypothesis is making a guess.

@questfortruth have tested and studied and experimented with you hypothesis?
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oops - you're bringing me back to my consideration of the theory of evolution. I am sure by this time that some people will say it's a theory (concept) that has been tested, :), but I doubt it. Even though they'll say it's been tested. :) Tried and true?
 
questfortruth

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YoursTrue said:
now believe in a resurrection of the righteous and the unrighteous.
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Jesus was sure, He will be in Heaven, not hell. Are you 100% sure? The Judas the Traitor was 100% sure of Heaven.
Once saved - always saved?

YoursTrue said:
I must say you have some very interesting viewpoints.
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First sign of sympathy in this forum. So strong sign. I like you, my supporter.

YoursTrue said:
young, very young children who are said to be schizophrenic.
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Yes. I have only the guess. But I have reasons:
1. Any long lasting fear is not healthy state of organism.
2. Strongest fear of all is death. It is always there. Religion talks more about soul, less about body. Human is the body as well.
3. The Schizophrenia is the most unpleasant and dangerous sickness of all.

YoursTrue said:
I guess(?) they don't fear death that much, they want to die
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"To escape the fear is to embrace it" (but it is very wrong idea). "To stop fear of death, is to submit to death." (but it is very wrong idea and it is unforgivable sin.) It is normal to fear death [even very intensely like Jesus in the Garden], but it is absolutely not normal to die.

YoursTrue said:
in like someone being tortured in 'hell,' it's simply not true.
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The hell is not well studied yet, thus, we can not be 100% sure. But surely, it is most bad place.

YoursTrue said:
death is (nothingness...)
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Death is satan and satan is Death. That is why even "physical" death is so scary. "When the devil had finished all this tempting, he left him until an opportune time." Luke 4:13. "I will not say much more to you, for the prince of this world is coming." John 14:30 The Physical death always being caused by evil spirit: the God is not a killer.
 
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