Schizophrenia here is different than schizophrenia there

[We Never Know]

Is this true and did anyone know this? They say its shaped by culture.

"Individuals in developing countries often experience more auditory and visual hallucinations. What’s more, auditory hallucinations for non-Westerners tend to be somewhat “nicer,” especially compared to Americans’ auditory hallucinations. Stanford professor Tanya Luhrmann demonstrated this through research focused on 60 adults with schizophrenia from the U.S., Ghana, and India.

While many of the participants mentioned that they heard good and bad voices, Americans only reported having bad experiences with their auditory hallucinations. Ghanaians and Indians often heard voices that were described as playful or entertaining, but Americans had violent and threatening experiences. One American participant described their voices as “like torturing people, to take their eye out with a fork, or cut someone’s head and drink their blood, really nasty stuff.”

Schizophrenia here is different than schizophrenia there — why?

Most diseases don't differ depending on where you're from. Schizophrenia, however, is heavily dependent on your culture.

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[Shadow Wolf]

Is this true and did anyone know this? They say its shaped by culture.

"Individuals in developing countries often experience more auditory and visual hallucinations. What’s more, auditory hallucinations for non-Westerners tend to be somewhat “nicer,” especially compared to Americans’ auditory hallucinations. Stanford professor Tanya Luhrmann demonstrated this through research focused on 60 adults with schizophrenia from the U.S., Ghana, and India.

While many of the participants mentioned that they heard good and bad voices, Americans only reported having bad experiences with their auditory hallucinations. Ghanaians and Indians often heard voices that were described as playful or entertaining, but Americans had violent and threatening experiences. One American participant described their voices as “like torturing people, to take their eye out with a fork, or cut someone’s head and drink their blood, really nasty stuff.”

Schizophrenia here is different than schizophrenia there — why?

Most diseases don't differ depending on where you're from. Schizophrenia, however, is heavily dependent on your culture.

bigthink.com

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Actually the way we express illness and symptoms in general can vary from culture to culture. I don't know many details, but even a brief introductory to Medical Anthropology will be fascinating and you'll learn all kinds if exhilarating and mind-expanding things.
Still not as cool as Cotards though, lmao. (Can't help myself. People with it think they, or a body part, are dead).

 

[Heyo]

Is this true and did anyone know this? They say its shaped by culture.

"Individuals in developing countries often experience more auditory and visual hallucinations. What’s more, auditory hallucinations for non-Westerners tend to be somewhat “nicer,” especially compared to Americans’ auditory hallucinations. Stanford professor Tanya Luhrmann demonstrated this through research focused on 60 adults with schizophrenia from the U.S., Ghana, and India.

While many of the participants mentioned that they heard good and bad voices, Americans only reported having bad experiences with their auditory hallucinations. Ghanaians and Indians often heard voices that were described as playful or entertaining, but Americans had violent and threatening experiences. One American participant described their voices as “like torturing people, to take their eye out with a fork, or cut someone’s head and drink their blood, really nasty stuff.”

Schizophrenia here is different than schizophrenia there — why?

Most diseases don't differ depending on where you're from. Schizophrenia, however, is heavily dependent on your culture.

bigthink.com

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Heard about it or read about some time ago ... yep, article from 2019.

 

[Heyo]

Actually the way we express illness and symptoms in general can vary from culture to culture. I don't know many details, but even a brief introductory to Medical Anthropology will be fascinating and you'll learn all kinds if exhilarating and mind-expanding things.
Still not as cool as Cotards though, lmao. (Can't help myself. People with it think they, or a body part, are dead).

Japanese women don't experience menopause - was a headline I read, also years ago.

 

[Sirona]

Is this true and did anyone know this? They say its shaped by culture.

"Individuals in developing countries often experience more auditory and visual hallucinations. What’s more, auditory hallucinations for non-Westerners tend to be somewhat “nicer,” especially compared to Americans’ auditory hallucinations. Stanford professor Tanya Luhrmann demonstrated this through research focused on 60 adults with schizophrenia from the U.S., Ghana, and India.

While many of the participants mentioned that they heard good and bad voices, Americans only reported having bad experiences with their auditory hallucinations. Ghanaians and Indians often heard voices that were described as playful or entertaining, but Americans had violent and threatening experiences. One American participant described their voices as “like torturing people, to take their eye out with a fork, or cut someone’s head and drink their blood, really nasty stuff.”

Schizophrenia here is different than schizophrenia there — why?

Most diseases don't differ depending on where you're from. Schizophrenia, however, is heavily dependent on your culture.

bigthink.com

People internalize their values through the behavior of their parents. (That's why there are jokes about the "Sky Daddy" here in the forum.) Now, for example, if children are told throughout their entire childhood that they were unwanted or a "failure," then, later, when they become ill, they may feel the need to "wish" for the condemning voices of parental authority to appear in their head, in a sense to punish themselves.

I could imagine at least theoretically ...

I once was in Turkey, where having many children is considered highly desirable. I could imagine that in similarly "traditional" societies such as in India or Africa, parents might treat their children more lovingly, so that the voices the sick hear might also be more friendly in consequence.

 

[Apostle John]

I have heard hallucinations are markedly different between geographical areas but pseudoscience is obviously guessing when they say it is shaped by culture.

 

[Debater Slayer]

Is this true and did anyone know this? They say its shaped by culture.

"Individuals in developing countries often experience more auditory and visual hallucinations. What’s more, auditory hallucinations for non-Westerners tend to be somewhat “nicer,” especially compared to Americans’ auditory hallucinations. Stanford professor Tanya Luhrmann demonstrated this through research focused on 60 adults with schizophrenia from the U.S., Ghana, and India.

While many of the participants mentioned that they heard good and bad voices, Americans only reported having bad experiences with their auditory hallucinations. Ghanaians and Indians often heard voices that were described as playful or entertaining, but Americans had violent and threatening experiences. One American participant described their voices as “like torturing people, to take their eye out with a fork, or cut someone’s head and drink their blood, really nasty stuff.”

Schizophrenia here is different than schizophrenia there — why?

Most diseases don't differ depending on where you're from. Schizophrenia, however, is heavily dependent on your culture.

bigthink.com

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When I was in the army, a fellow conscript had psychosis and talked about his hallucinations during boot camp. They were strongly cultural: he claimed he saw djinns and that they were malevolent. His descriptions of what he saw matched Islamic narratives about demons.

It doesn't surprise me in the slightest to read that culture can color schizophrenic hallucinations.

 

[Apostle John]

It doesn't surprise me in the slightest to read that culture can color schizophrenic hallucinations.

The actual article doesn’t say culture can. The anthropologist team whose study this was, speculate.

 

[Orbit]

The actual article doesn’t say culture can. The anthropologist team whose study this was, speculate.

Their "speculation" is at least based on cross-cultural observations.

 

[Apostle John]

Their "speculation" is at least based on cross-cultural observations.

It’s still meaningless speculation, that anthropologist team has no professional, specialist education in hallucinations or schizophrenia and their sample size is, like many of these studies, extremely small.

 

[Orbit]

It’s still meaningless speculation, that anthropologist team has no professional, specialist education in hallucinations or schizophrenia and their sample size is, like many of these studies, extremely small.

I don't agree that it's meaningless. Observation detected a pattern in mental illnesses across cultures. That stands.

 

[Apostle John]

I don't agree that it's meaningless. Observation detected a pattern in mental illnesses across cultures. That stands.

You will have to hope it doesn’t lead you down a hole.

 

[We Never Know]

The actual article doesn’t say culture can. The anthropologist team whose study this was, speculate.

The lead professor is a psychological anthropologist.

What is a psychological anthropologist....

Psychological anthropology is an interdisciplinary subfield of anthropology that studies the interaction of cultural and mental processes.

Psychological anthropology - Wikipedia

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[Watchmen]

Japanese women don't experience menopause - was a headline I read, also years ago.

Lol. Wish I could give that the funny frubal!

 

[Apostle John]

The lead professor is a psychological anthropologist.

What is a psychological anthropologist....

Psychological anthropology is an interdisciplinary subfield of anthropology that studies the interaction of cultural and mental processes.

Psychological anthropology - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

What has that got to do with my post you responded to?

 

[We Never Know]

What has that got to do with my post you responded to?

You said "The anthropologist team"

I was simply pointing out the lead professor is a psychological anthropologist. She also studies modern-day witches which I found odd.

Tanya Luhrmann - Wikipedia

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Not to mention.....demonstrated is more than speculate.

What’s more, auditory hallucinations for non-Westerners tend to be somewhat “nicer,” especially compared to Americans’ auditory hallucinations. Stanford professor Tanya Luhrmann demonstrated this through research focused on 60 adults with schizophrenia from the U.S., Ghana, and India.

 

[Apostle John]

You said "The anthropologist team"

Because the article read: “Luhrmann and colleagues speculated…”. The writer of the article opined ’Luhrmann demonstrated’.

This is what the website states about the article‘s author : he “writes stories about science, technology, bizarre anecdotes from history, esoteric odds and ends, bleak but nevertheless fascinating environmental issues, and whatever else grabs his easily grabbed attention”.

It doesn’t say he’s a scientist.

That would be like you saying she demonstrated.

You want their findings to be factual? That is to state ‘culture shapes hallucinations is fact?’

 

[We Never Know]

Because the article read: “Luhrmann and colleagues speculated…”. The writer of the article opined ’Luhrmann demonstrated’.

This is what the website states about the article‘s author : he “writes stories about science, technology, bizarre anecdotes from history, esoteric odds and ends, bleak but nevertheless fascinating environmental issues, and whatever else grabs his easily grabbed attention”.

It doesn’t say he’s a scientist.

That would be like you saying she demonstrated.

You want their findings to be factual? That is to state ‘culture shapes hallucinations is fact?’

Having hallucinations, in and by itself, does not indicate schizophrenia.

The study was about schizophrenic hallucinations

 

[Apostle John]

Having hallucinations, in and by itself, does not indicate schizophrenia.

The study was about schizophrenic hallucinations

Avoiding the question. I wonder, is giving disinformation classed as informative and therefore not breaking the forum rules?

 

[We Never Know]

Avoiding the question. I wonder, is giving disinformation classed as informative and therefore not breaking the forum rules?

Lol. What is the disinformation?

That is your claim, so what is the disinformation?